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Why I believe new series will not happen

However, I believe that it is highly unlikely there will ever be new ST series. Reason being that the Universe is so written out, that as a writer for the series I would feel very restricted. Everything is depicted, main idea is well established. What else is there to do?

Every new generation of TV viewers has a different taste of story telling according to the zeitgeist. You see it now with all the reboots in movies.

So for the now young generations there is always a new chance to discover Star Trek in a new TV series.

It maybe isnt a Star Trek show that the old generation will like or care about. THAT maybe could be the case.
 
But another question is - do we want another series? I mean, really?

I won't know the answer to that question until we get official word that a new series is coming. What the show's about, whose starring in it and who are the show runners are all big parts of making the determination.
 
But another question is - do we want another series? I mean, really?

Why not? It's just television. They may put some horrible show that goes against anything I ever wanted in Star Trek but I'd give it a shot. If I don't like it then I can return to not having any Star Trek to watch.
 
The last film reset the timeline so that anything can happen. Restrictions removed!

As Spock said, "Whatever our lives were, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed."

This means, finally, Kirk and Spock can get it on.

OH HAPPY DAY.

Pretty boy on boy happened in Game of Thrones, so why the hell not in ST? Come on people, let's make it happen!

:lol:
 
I would say the real question is what type of series to we want it to be more like i.e. DSN or VOY.

The real question is, how to drive a new audience to Star Trek, that hasnt seen any of the old episodes (until ENT) or isnt interested in Trek so far; the folks at the age of 20 years or younger.
 
^You say, "Remember those exciting, fast-paced Star Trek movies by JJ Abrams? Here's the TV series!"

But another question is - do we want another series? I mean, really?
So long as it's good. And not the TNG formula again.

Why? When done properly the TOS/TNG formula is where Trek thrived the most. And with everything being arc-based and 'dark and gritty', the TOS/TNG formula may thrive in the environment.
TOS and TNG aren't the same formula. TOS is fun, light hearted action adventure. TNG is far more slow and thoughtful. And takes itself far too seriously for a group of people in pyjamas.
 
^You say, "Remember those exciting, fast-paced Star Trek movies by JJ Abrams? Here's the TV series!"

So long as it's good. And not the TNG formula again.

Why? When done properly the TOS/TNG formula is where Trek thrived the most. And with everything being arc-based and 'dark and gritty', the TOS/TNG formula may thrive in the environment.
TOS and TNG aren't the same formula. TOS is fun, light hearted action adventure. TNG is far more slow and thoughtful. And takes itself far too seriously for a group of people in pyjamas.

If you watch closely, TNG didn't take itself so seriously until Roddenberry was no longer in day-to-day control. TNG was really two different series during and post-Roddenberry involvement. When Roddenberry was involved, it was much closer in spirit to TOS.
 
The first few seasons of TNG were very much like TOS I.MO. The music, the way characters acted, all the way down to the overacting and corniness.

In some ways it was fun to watch, in others it was cringe worthy.

To figure out what the right recipe is, we have to figure out why the last series and the last two TNG movies failed in the first place.

Even if they stuck to the same formula, or did something new and creative, they can still mess it up by bad storytelling, boring characters etc.
 
I would say the real question is what type of series to we want it to be more like i.e. DSN or VOY.

The real question is, how to drive a new audience to Star Trek, that hasnt seen any of the old episodes (until ENT) or isnt interested in Trek so far; the folks at the age of 20 years or younger.


The more time that passes the easier this becomes.

On this side of the Pond DW after a 16 year absence (bar 1 TV Movie) is pulling in ratings far in excess of what it had when it was cancelled in 1989. So the evidence is that it has managed to pull in new viewers, so it can be done.

What it has to do is capture the aduaince hearts and minds. It might be better in some respects to start over from scratch again.

DW differs from ST in the respect that we are watching the same character and given the time travel aspect of the show, what happened previously can be said to have changed. So continuituy is less of an issue.

With ST each of the shows so far has built upon the same universe. Which makes continuity more of an issue.
 
I don't believe that it's all been written.
A big problem with Hollywood is they are limited on writers, and it has been said that only 10% of the writers in Hollywood were competent. even recycled concepts can be entertaining if the characters are strong, played by the right actors, and the writing is good. Or more accurately if the writing staff and producers are good and can work together.

If we ever do see another Star Trek, I hope it is written by fans of the show, writers who actually like Star Trek, and not just day time soap writers who say "so basically I'm writing an episode of Dynasty, and everyone is wearing space suit pajamas, and on a star ship you say. Well OK, so umm, The captain is a vulcan woman you say, alright, we can have the half klingon man have a crush on her, but his efforts to win her over are stopped by this Ferrari who also loves the captain, but only loves her for her money. Oh Ferengi, not Farrari. I was wondering why there was so much dialogue given to a car. Anyhow, the captain used to be in love with the Rumanian guy, but then she got space amnesia. Oh Romulan, not Romanian. What the hell's a Romulan"
 
A new series will happen for the same reason any TV series happens: there is money to be made, and more money than whatever they could be doing instead.

So it really doesnt matter if Star Trek is played out creatively, but it will never be played out creatively anyway. How could be possible, with a whole galaxy at your beck and call? And not just one reality within that galaxy, but at least three so far.

And if three galaxies aren't enough for ya, there's no reason they can't venture to Andromeda. So really, that's the whole universe as a playground, and infinite realities so it's the whole multiverse. It's impossible to have more creative possibilities than that.
 
So I think that the overall idea is that a series can't be successful unless it is "aboard the Starship Enterprise in the late 24th century, that's all that works".

I hope TV executives don't think that one-dimensionally.

I suspect they do think that literally, and right now they're looking at the success of JJ Abrams movie, and thinking that it's 23rd C that works and theres something tragically wrong with the 24th because the ratings for that century have sucked lately. The 22nd sucks too. Nope, the 23rd is where the magic is!

Even if they do think like that, we have one universe, three realities, and a whole century to work with. Any writer who can't come up with something good within those terrible constraints needs to find anther career because wow, are they imagination-deficient.

TREKKIE #1: Trek needs to take risks, to be more original and be more creative.

TREKKIE #2: Trek needs to get back to basics and go back to what worked in the past.

Solution: for spud's sake, ignore the Trekkies! :D

That approach worked for Abrams. He made a movie calculated to appeal to the audience of the medium he was writing for, eg, the summer popcorn blockbuster. It was therefore big, noisy, colorful and action-packed. And he did throw the fans a few bones, for instance by not wiping out the original timeline, but he didn't have to. His movie would have been a stunning success anyway.

A TV series would work the same way. CBS will require that the show be calculated to appeal to the channel it's being created for. There's no way for it to fit CBS itself, for instance, but I can envision Star Treks made for the CW or for Showtime, meaning two very different shows (and both different from Abrams' movies, too.)

They might not be what the fans want to see, but if they appeal to the CW or Showtime audiences, they could still be successful. They certainly won't be successful any other way.

Since there's no such thing as a Star Trek channel, a new series is going to have to appeal primarily to an audience that isn't Trekkies. Maybe there will be some overlap, and maybe the showrunner will be enough of a fan to throw fans a few bones, but that's the best we can expect.

I would say the real question is what type of series to we want it to be more like i.e. DSN or VOY.

The real question is, how to drive a new audience to Star Trek, that hasnt seen any of the old episodes (until ENT) or isnt interested in Trek so far; the folks at the age of 20 years or younger.

Make a Star Trek series for the CW, starring Ensign Mary Sue, who is torn between her love for a sexily repressed Vulcan cadet and a sexily tragic ex-Borg guy. Find an Ian Somerhalder look alike to play either the Vulcan or the Borg, or ideally both. Bonus points if you can figure out a way to make them long-lost brothers.

That show wouldn't personally appeal to me, but it would be the best way to make it successful on the CW. And it certainly would make this place entertaining as heck! :D
 
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"A TV series would work the same way. CBS will require that the show be calculated to appeal to the channel it's being created for. There's no way for it to fit CBS itself, for instance, but I can envision Star Treks made for the CW or for Showtime, meaning two very different shows (and both different from Abrams' movies, too.)"

Could you imagine a Star Trek series tailored for Lifetime? Every captain would be a sociopathic male who beats and sexually abuses the female officers who are so afraid of him they defend him until some strong woman working with the Federation Internal Investigations can reach them emotionally and help them to testify.

I wouldn't mind seeing Star Trek tailored for Comedy Central, just add a laugh track to Voyager, and put up a "shuttle craft explodes" counter in the corner.
 
they could run an entire new thing - imaging - the federation is overun by (insert alien race/races here). a mix of old TNG,DS9,VOY crew members come back to fight guirilla style. Perhaps this may anger a few ST fans but the possibilties would be good plus a chance for some new ship classes and a banding together
 
they could run an entire new thing - imaging - the federation is overun by (insert alien race/races here). a mix of old TNG,DS9,VOY crew members come back to fight guirilla style. Perhaps this may anger a few ST fans but the possibilties would be good plus a chance for some new ship classes and a banding together

No thanks. :eek:
 
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