Why does this show seem determined not to acknowledge "Voyager?"

[The Wormhole]

Spoiler: Prodigy

I was more referring to the fact that as of the recent episode of Prodigy we now have real Janeway involved, in command of an actual USS Dauntless, searching for Chakotay who is the real Captain of the Protostar. It wouldn't shock me if more Voyager elements were added to the show in future episodes.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Before she was a scientist, she was a soldier.

Maybe if you mean child soldier, that might work as an analogy. She was a violated, enslaved killing machine. Not exactly the same thing as a soldier. (And then, again, her wishes were ignored when Janeway severed her, but that's another story.)

As for her not joing SF - she was never Starfleet, she remained with Voyager because they became her sole family/ collective, and (somewhat) accepted SF rules because she respected Janeway.

She did seem genuinely interested in science, though, and there was never any reference made to that in Picard, which surprises me.

I think the story of how she ended up with the Rangers, if well thought out, could be interesting. It involves not only turning er back to SF, but also deliberately choosing to live outside of the Federation. I agree that ostracism against xB's was probably involved.

 

[Christopher]

Spoiler: Prodigy

I was more referring to the fact that as of the recent episode of Prodigy we now have real Janeway involved, in command of an actual USS Dauntless, searching for Chakotay who is the real Captain of the Protostar. It wouldn't shock me if more Voyager elements were added to the show in future episodes.

Yes, I have actually watched the show, so I know all that. What I'm saying is that it's beside the point. There's no reason to assume that Picard is "avoiding" VGR references because of Prodigy. They aren't including them because they aren't relevant to the story being told.

I mean, for all that this season is largely being built around continuity references, there are other, non-VGR continuity elements that could be referenced but aren't. They didn't bring up Beverly Crusher when Picard backed away from romance with Laris. They didn't compare the Confederation timeline to the Mirror Universe (except perhaps implicitly when Picard said it was an altered timeline rather than a parallel universe). They've barely even mentioned the show's own continuity in terms of followup on the Romulans' current status or the like.

So there's no need to assume an ulterior motive for something not being referenced. If it were something like, say, Superman & Lois's persistent refusal to acknowledge the existence of Supergirl or other heroes in contexts where they logically should be referenced, then it's reasonable to assume there's a deliberate avoidance going on. But in this case, things aren't being referenced because there's simply no need for them to come up in the characters' conversation.

 

[El Maestro]

Isn't the current state of the Borg a giant VOY reference? Isn't Janeway and co responsible for their "fall"?

 

[Christopher]

Isn't the current state of the Borg a giant VOY reference? Isn't Janeway and co responsible for their "fall"?

I don't think we know enough to assume that. It's possible, but often what seems like a cause-and-effect relationship between two things is nothing of the sort, so it's best not to jump to conclusions without confirmation. Indeed, the fact that the Borg had Sikarian trajector technology in season 1, when Borg territory was years away from the Sikarian homeworld in VGR's time, suggests that the Borg may have continued their expansion and conquests after "Endgame" (though it's certainly possible they acquired the trajector from a far-flung Sikarian colony, or conquered the Sikarians sometime during the run of VGR).

Perhaps Voyager's destruction of their transwarp hub and unimatrix merely weakened them enough for other civilizations in the Delta Quadrant to rise up against them and bring them down. After all, it's a huge galaxy. Given the sheer size of Borg territory, it's logical to assume that it abutted the territories of thousands of other starfaring civilizations, and it's a statistical certainty that many of those would have been much more advanced and powerful than the Federation. (I tend to assume that the Voth are the reason the Borg haven't expanded their territory to encompass the worlds Voyager encountered in its first three seasons, although the Sikarian thing suggests that didn't last.) So "Endgame" may have been a contributing factor to the Borg's decline, but not necessarily the exclusive cause.

 

[Amasov]

It isn't Star Trek: Picard's responsibility to acknowledge another Star Trek series because it's not fulfilling your curiosity.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well since we have 4 series on right now and they all "look back" with callouts and mentions galore.. U could use a bit less references.. And start doing there own thing.

 

[Amasov]

This has been a matter of contention of mine lately. Each time a new series/season is announced, the first thing a lot of people go after is wondering what story threads, locations, or characters that could be seen/visited/mentioned from an earlier show.

Now I will obviously confess that I've done this a lot myself, but, I also want the shows to carve out their own paths and form their own mythos. Sure, if it makes sense to their stories to have something from an earlier show appear, fine. But I'm really starting to get bothered with the ever-growing desire from the audience to go back to what came before and give the audience an update simply because they could.

 

[fireproof78]

It isn't Star Trek: Picard's responsibility to acknowledge another Star Trek series because it's not fulfilling your curiosity.

Damn. Harsh but to my mind true. I agree completely.

 

[Amasov]

Damn. Harsh but to my mind true. I agree completely.

There's some minor annoyance in there, but, sorry, I didn't mean for it to come off as such.

 

[fireproof78]

There's some minor annoyance in there, but, sorry, I didn't mean for it to come off as such.

I should probably say more "blunt" than necessarily harsh. It just struck me as very straight forward.

 

[Christopher]

This has been a matter of contention of mine lately. Each time a new series/season is announced, the first thing a lot of people go after is wondering what story threads, locations, or characters that could be seen/visited/mentioned from an earlier show.

Now I will obviously confess that I've done this a lot myself, but, I also want the shows to carve out their own paths and form their own mythos. Sure, if it makes sense to their stories to have something from an earlier show appear, fine. But I'm really starting to get bothered with the ever-growing desire from the audience to go back to what came before and give the audience an update simply because they simply could.

Right. Too much franchise media these days -- including the current season of Picard -- is more about paging through old photo albums than telling new stories that the next generation can fall in love with. TNG didn't succeed by constantly rehashing TOS characters and concepts -- indeed, after a brief flirtation in "The Naked Now," it mostly tried to distance itself from TOS as much as possible, to be its own independent thing. And DS9 and VGR mostly did so as well. But the majority of new Trek is overloaded with continuity references. Discovery's first two seasons were flooded with them, though season 3 was largely more original, as of season 4 it finally feels as if it's cast off all the old business and is finally moving the universe forward. Picard's first season felt like progress, building on past elements but extrapolating forward from them in new directions, but now it's become completely an exercise in nostalgia, and today's announcement suggests that season 3 will be as well. Prodigy largely felt like something new and distinct at first, but it's quickly added more references to past Trek.

 

[Amasov]

I should probably say more "blunt" than necessarily harsh. It just struck me as very straight forward.

I do embrace my bluntness a lot.

 

[brandnewfan]

I find the Voyager links to be pretty blatant for a show that's a TNG spinoff.

Actually, I'd wager the Voyager mentions and whatnot have been close to on par with TNG mentions.

 

[ananta]

My goodness, PICARD has a VOYAGER character in its main cast, has featured another (albeit recast and quickly, gruesomely killed) VOY character and, as noted, PRODIGY is absolutely riddled with VOY characters and references. It’s DS9 that has largely been airbrushed out of existence which is baffling and deeply disappointing.

 

[Sci]

I just don't see how you can reasonably argue VOY hasn't been getting its fair share of attention when Jeri Ryan is now only the fourth principal cast member from one Star Trek series to become a principal cast member on another -- with the third being Kate Mulgrew on Star Trek: Prodigy. I mean, hell, they built an entire episode around goddamn Icheb of all characters.

 

[Aragorn]

In the pilot episode of Star Trek: Fenris Rangers, Seven better spend the first half hour via personal log voiceover thoroughly explaining where Janeway, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, The Doctor, Neelix and Torres are right now and why they aren't there with her, otherwise we riot!!

 

[Cyrus]

I am assuming this thread is kind of a joke, as they have a freaking VOY character as a regular on the show. They even played the VOY theme one time when Seven was talking to Picard. A DS9 fan has a better case for making this complaint.

 

[Christopher]

the fourth principal cast member from one Star Trek series to become a principal cast member on another

I guess you're counting Michael Dorn and Patrick Stewart as the first two (since Colm Meaney was never a principal TNG cast member)?

Technically, there would be more if you count TAS as a separate series from TOS -- at least Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley, and Doohan, Nichols, and Takei if you count them as TOS principals. Although I tend to think of it more as a direct continuation/revival.

And Anson Mount is the newest member of the club, as he was principal in Discovery season 2.

 

[Noname Given]

I am assuming this thread is kind of a joke, as they have a freaking VOY character as a regular on the show. They even played the VOY theme one time when Seven was talking to Picard. A DS9 fan has a better case for making this complaint.

What? There were PLENTY of DS9 character's skulls in Picard S2.