Yep. Star Trek has always had multiple realities to deal with. I don't see why what Abrams did was radically or uncanonical or any sort of a problem.
Why does Abrams keep playing it safe?
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Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
Well if you can't comprehend my point, so be it, but it doesn't invalidate it.
What makes Khan interesting is his complex backstory. That's not true of Mitchell, who has a backstory, so Mitchell is the more movie-ready character.
Sure, they could simplify Khan and make him movie-ready, but why even bother with him? Rather than turn Khan into Mitchell, just go with Mitchell to begin with.
Of course I am. It's not like I've got money riding on this, and think that arguing here will somehow make it more likely that I'll win a bet. I'm perfectly neutral because these are fictional characters and it really doesn't matter whether the writers slap the name Khan or Mitchell on their character.
Either way, he'll be far more simplistic than Khan should be, because it's a two hour movie and they don't have time for more. so we're not going to get Khan. well get faux Khan or well get Mitchell or perhaps another villain at that level of simplicity.
This isn't the type of movie that can focus on a villain. there are two characters with major arcs to push forward, plus the usual amount of summer popcorn movie action, and a bevy of secondary characters who need at least a token nod. And that will fill a two hour flick nicely.
Well if you can't comprehend my point, so be it, but it doesn't invalidate it.
What makes Khan interesting is his complex backstory. That's not true of Mitchell, who has a backstory, so Mitchell is the more movie-ready character.
Sure, they could simplify Khan and make him movie-ready, but why even bother with him? Rather than turn Khan into Mitchell, just go with Mitchell to begin with.
Of course I am. It's not like I've got money riding on this, and think that arguing here will somehow make it more likely that I'll win a bet. I'm perfectly neutral because these are fictional characters and it really doesn't matter whether the writers slap the name Khan or Mitchell on their character.
Either way, he'll be far more simplistic than Khan should be, because it's a two hour movie and they don't have time for more. so we're not going to get Khan. well get faux Khan or well get Mitchell or perhaps another villain at that level of simplicity.
This isn't the type of movie that can focus on a villain. there are two characters with major arcs to push forward, plus the usual amount of summer popcorn movie action, and a bevy of secondary characters who need at least a token nod. And that will fill a two hour flick nicely.
Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
So you're saying that we didn't get Khan in The Wrath of Khan?
So you're saying that we didn't get Khan in The Wrath of Khan?
Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
Heck, "Space Seed" was less than an hour long, and it managed okay.
Seriously, it's not like TOS devoted several episodes to fleshing out Khan's backstory and the history of the Eugenics Wars. It was all handled in a couple of brief discussions.
Heck, "Space Seed" was less than an hour long, and it managed okay.
Seriously, it's not like TOS devoted several episodes to fleshing out Khan's backstory and the history of the Eugenics Wars. It was all handled in a couple of brief discussions.
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Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
Yeah. Just under 180 mins total was enough to let some windbag drone on about Khan for hundred and hundreds of pages.
Yeah. Just under 180 mins total was enough to let some windbag drone on about Khan for hundred and hundreds of pages.
I kid--recently finished To Reign in Hell and enjoyed all three of your Khan books quite a bit.
Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
Thanks!
And, yes, I managed to get nearly a thousand pages out of a few lines of exposition in "Space Seed" and Khan.
Yeah. Just under 180 mins total was enough to let some windbag drone on about Khan for hundred and hundreds of pages.
I kid--recently finished To Reign in Hell and enjoyed all three of your Khan books quite a bit.
Thanks!
And, yes, I managed to get nearly a thousand pages out of a few lines of exposition in "Space Seed" and Khan.
Khan and Mitchell aren't going to be in the next movie.
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Geez, is this thread still going!?
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Geez, is this thread still going!?
Yup, and still 9 months until Release of the movie, so, not likely to die any time soon, LOL
1bulma1
Lieutenant Commander
I don’t think JJ played it saved. He took a lot of risk for example
1. Blowing up Vulcan
2. Pairing spock and uhura together...you would think it was going to be kirk/uhura at the end of the film since he is the hero and she is the girl and not to mention the fact that TOS kirk/uhura had the first interracial kiss on TV
3. Killing off Amanda Grayson
4. Actually having sarek say the three letter words when describing his wife (I loved her)
5. Making Kirk captain after 3 years of him been a cadet
6. Making an Orion green girl a member of starfleet academy.
JJ didn’t play it safe...like someone once said about the 09 film....This isn’t your father's star trek.
1. Blowing up Vulcan
2. Pairing spock and uhura together...you would think it was going to be kirk/uhura at the end of the film since he is the hero and she is the girl and not to mention the fact that TOS kirk/uhura had the first interracial kiss on TV
3. Killing off Amanda Grayson
4. Actually having sarek say the three letter words when describing his wife (I loved her)
5. Making Kirk captain after 3 years of him been a cadet
6. Making an Orion green girl a member of starfleet academy.
JJ didn’t play it safe...like someone once said about the 09 film....This isn’t your father's star trek.
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Drago-Kazov
Fleet Captain
Absolutly agree.
And once all of us have seen the new film about a dozen times and discussed every aspect, and nitpicked every flaw to death, we'll look back fondly on these old days of naiveté....like we do on those hazy months in 2008 where we went all waaaaaaa over a pic of a dim-lit corridor.
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