For a summer action flick, you probably don't even need to go into the "genetically engineered" bit. TWOK didn't really touch on it.
Why does Abrams keep playing it safe?
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For a summer action flick, you probably don't even need to go into the "genetically engineered" bit. TWOK didn't really touch on it.
Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
None of those questions were answered in TWOK, and yet people understood that movie without problems.
Yeah, they did, albeit briefly. Chekov told Terrell that Khan was "a product of late 20th century genetic engineering".
Everything we needed to know about Khan, we got in that scene.
* Genetically engineered? Check
* Dead wife? Check
* Was politically powerful on Earth in his time? Check
* From the 20th Century? Check
* Deposited on planet by Kirk? Check
* Neighboring planet exploded? Check
Does anyone know exactly how long that scene of exposition with Khan takes?
How is it "closed" at one end, any more than Kirk's, Spock's or McCoy's story?
If the sleeper ship is found in different circumstances to "Space Seed", you have a very different beginning. If Khan never captures Genesis, you have a different ending.
Who (in an official capacity) is suggesting they are changing Khan's setup and background? Kirk's setup was changed, yes - by Nero's actions.
By your previous reference to a "closed" storyline, surely the Klingons' alliance with the UFP in the 24th century is "closed"?
I can understand why Abrams wants to keep it quite, because of what happens when you have internet. You have big mouthed production, directors, actors and actresses, and fans that want to spoil it for everyone else. Take Star Trek X for example, if they had've kept it quite that they were going to feature a clone of Picard, kill off Data then that movie would've been a success. Star Trek XI was a very good film in its own right, but it wasn't my Star Trek who were Kirk, Spock and McCoy. So hes keeping it quite, thats how a surprise works. Sadly now days people try to ruin the film. I have looked forward to every film growing up and X was spoiled for me. I knew how it ends. Its sort like that episode of the Simpsons where a flashback of Homer going to the cinema, watching Star Wars and blabbing out loud who Darth Vadar was.
I don't think it was a rehash, it was a differnt take on what would've happened. The timeline we saw was in another alternate universe, sort of like that old show Sliders. In this universe Kirk might live past 2294, who knows.
As for all these Khan rumors. Has anyone ever thought that it might be Harry Mudd and his Androids? You have to remember things are differnt in that XI universe so things will and would turn slightly differnt. Thats just my two cents.
I don't think it was a rehash, it was a differnt take on what would've happened. The timeline we saw was in another alternate universe, sort of like that old show Sliders. In this universe Kirk might live past 2294, who knows.
As for all these Khan rumors. Has anyone ever thought that it might be Harry Mudd and his Androids? You have to remember things are differnt in that XI universe so things will and would turn slightly differnt. Thats just my two cents.
I thought it was nice of them to warn us in advance that Nemesis was going to be terrible. Sure, the movie might have made more money, at least on opening weekend, but imagine how shocking and bitter of a disappointment it would have been had we been left in the dark.
I don't actually expect to know many details about XII a year in advance, but if the secrecy persists close to release, I'm going to assume that they're hiding something that they know the audience really won't like. I keep picturing Q turning up at the last minute and asking Kirk to choose between red, green, or blue space magic.
After watching most of JJ Abrams' projects, I find even the movies which Im lukewarm over are light years superior to the sludge called Star Trek after the Undiscovered Country.
What makes Trek movies great isn't the technobabble, the time paradoxes, or the special effects;its the subtle things. The deep plot of Undiscovered Country can be appreciated by people who otherwise hate SciFi. Its the same deal with The Wrath of Khan-you can follow the characters, plot , storyline, and direction of the movie without knowing a phaser from a plasma coil.
Nemesis? Jean Luc Picard running around like Bruce Willis was offensive to moviegoers with a brain ( 60 year old man as an action hero?) and to trekkies alike. ( hand to hand combat from the enlightened Captain who reads old time literature with Earl Grey tea?)
Er... no. Nemesis failed because it was a bad film, not because people knew stuff in advance.
Er... everyone knew that Star Trek XI was a reboot with new actors playing Kirk, Spock, and McCoy way, way before its release. It's not like it succeeded because it was kept under a mask of secrecy.
This. The very first teaser poster was the TOS arrowhead badge with yellow on one side and blue on the other...
http://www.impawards.com/2009/star_trek_xi_xlg.html
Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
That's because TWOK was Khan seeking revenge, more than enough for the basis of a movie on its own. but the new Khan isn't seeking revenge, he's never met Kirk, so what's the story and why does it need a genetically engineered superman in it?
Anyway it's probably all moot. if its Mitchell instead, then great. He's got essentially the same role as a scary super villain as Khan had, except with no need for complicated explanations. He's a simpler, more popcorn movie friendly Khan.
That's because TWOK was Khan seeking revenge, more than enough for the basis of a movie on its own. but the new Khan isn't seeking revenge, he's never met Kirk, so what's the story and why does it need a genetically engineered superman in it?
Anyway it's probably all moot. if its Mitchell instead, then great. He's got essentially the same role as a scary super villain as Khan had, except with no need for complicated explanations. He's a simpler, more popcorn movie friendly Khan.
Re: Why does Abrams keep playing Monopoly?
I honestly don't know why you keep thinking this? Whether Khan or Mitchell, neither has been seen on screen in thirty plus years, there will have to be character exposition either way.
Stop trying to make it sound like one character would be more difficult for audiences to understand over the other, it's just ridiculous.
I honestly don't know why you keep thinking this? Whether Khan or Mitchell, neither has been seen on screen in thirty plus years, there will have to be character exposition either way.
Stop trying to make it sound like one character would be more difficult for audiences to understand over the other, it's just ridiculous.
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I do! And I must be the only person in the universe who never watched the series, but loves the original film.
Rehashing, recasting...don`t care, as long as it entertains me. I`d even watch a Khan movie...hell, I`ll watch it regardless, be it good or bad. But if it`s stupid, I`ll hate it, because Khan...meh.
It`s a matter of perspective and personal taste. I don`t like Khan, but I will not outright hate a Khan movie just because that incompetent dumbo is in it. If it`s well-done, great. Let`s just keep an open mind. It`s the best way to guarantee you`ll get at least some enjoyment out of it.
It was a safe move. Vulcan is still in the prime timeline and a multitude of other timelines, just like Amanda.
Which was why I was never in favor of this type of soft reboot, it kills the drama.
That makes absolutely no sense to me, since we are following the New Timeline, NuSpock is living his life without his mother and without his home planet, this will form the person we will grow to know Spock as in this new timeline. The only way, it could possibly kill the drama is if Spock was jumping to another reality anytime he wanted to, in order to visit his mother and home planet.
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She is not arguing from a position of neutrality.
And who cares about Romulus? I'm sure it's still around in one or two universes.
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But if you look at it that way, that's been true of everything in Trek since "Parallels"
What difference does it make if it is in the original timeline? We don't get to see it, and after XI, it's not at all relevant to us, I believe. If that were so, all parallel universes would be relevant, and since all choices ever made create a new quantum universe, then in the end, nothing matters!
So whatever reboot they do, you will be able to make this point.
EDIT: I just read KingDaniel's reply. That's what happens when you (meaning me) post without doing the research.
So whatever reboot they do, you will be able to make this point.
EDIT: I just read KingDaniel's reply. That's what happens when you (meaning me) post without doing the research.
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Screw that. If the mere existence of another, somewhat different timeline "kills drama", then Star Trek has apparently been utterly drama-free since "Mirror, Mirror" aired in April of 1968.
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