I wouldn't mind something more substantive that "I hate it because it's JJTrek."
Why Do The Klingons Look Like Shredder From TMNT
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And I wouldn't mind a million dollars and a super-attractive girlfriend who puts out like a broken candy machine. But I have to make do without either, so you make do with "I hate it because it's JJTrek" as an excuse.
So I've heard.
But why are we fixating on Klingons? What about the Trills? They completely changed their look between TNG and DS9, so who knows what they'll look like the next time we see them? There's the issue we should be worrying about . . .
Please don't give people anything else to complain about.
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I think that we should believe that Klingon, Trill, etc change between series were just re-imagining. So we don't have to re-look the older version and compare them to the new one. We just need to believe that the newest version of Klingon is the legit. Or the Trill in DS9 is the right version, etc.
Klingons generally don't hide things like that.
As for the helmets? Saves on makeup costs...exactly the same reason why Romulans in TOS often wore them.
As I understand, the original reason for the helmets in Trek XI was because they really couldn't decide between ridges or no ridges and just decided to avoid the issue by having them wear helmets. In STID, they already had helmets sitting in storage, and, yes, it does save money no having everyone in make-up.
Well said.
To be fair, the biker-gang thug Klingons first appeared in STIII. Berman was only extrapolating from there.
The complaint, as I usually understand it is that in the 24th century, every Klingon wore identical armour (well, 95%) wore the same armour, regardless if they were military or politicians. At least in the TOS movies, particularly TUC, there was some variation among individual Klingons, and indeed, politicians and even higher ranking military officers had different outfits from the regular military.
Here's my breakdown:
1. TOS Klingons: One-dimensional cardboard Snively Whiplash villains who were supposed to be analogous to the Soviets with Mongoloid-stereotyped swarthy skin and beards. Always wore the same outfits. From what I've read, Roddenberry hated their portrayal and never wanted to see them again in future productions.
2. TMP Klingons: A radical update thanks to a larger wardrobe and makeup budget. Were meant to appear very "alien," hence their lobster heads and alien language with subtitles.
3. STIII Klingons: Similar design to TMP Klingons, but far less "alien" and far more motorcycle-gangy and thuggy.
The TNG Klingons evolved from the STIII Klingons.
That's probably why I get that serious "Evil North Korean" vibe from the Reboot Klingons.
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A great summary. TNG and DS9 were the series that actually developed the Klingons as a race. It seems that in nuTrek they have gone back to being more of the standard "evil aliens that are a general menace to be used when needed."
I will add that it was TNG (And Ron Moore specifically, thanks to his reading of John M. Ford's TOS novel "The Final Reflection") that came up with the Klingon concept of honor. Before TNG, the TOS and STIII Klingons had no such concept.
^ In ST III, Kruge says that Valkris will be remembered with honor...
For stealing the Genesis plans. Stealing is honorable?
^ Most Klingons would think it was, if it could be used to benefit them.
In any case, Kruge said this because Valkris was going to sacrifice her life to get the plans to him. I think that's what he was talking about when he said she'd be remembered with honor.
(If Valkris hadn't said that she'd SEEN the data, Kruge might not have killed her, because it wouldn't have been necessary to preserve the secrecy of the mission. So if that had happened, I don't know what his attitude would have been. But Kruge honored Valkris because she HAD seen the data, knowing he would probably kill her for it. She gave up her life in performance of her duty, and that's the honor in it.)
In any case, Kruge said this because Valkris was going to sacrifice her life to get the plans to him. I think that's what he was talking about when he said she'd be remembered with honor.
(If Valkris hadn't said that she'd SEEN the data, Kruge might not have killed her, because it wouldn't have been necessary to preserve the secrecy of the mission. So if that had happened, I don't know what his attitude would have been. But Kruge honored Valkris because she HAD seen the data, knowing he would probably kill her for it. She gave up her life in performance of her duty, and that's the honor in it.)
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