Weekend Box Office numbers are in and Beyond came in 5th with $10 million :S. Bourne is basically copying Beyond's box office patterns but Bourne was made on a $120 million budget and will break even.
Bourne will do a lot better than break even. Not only did it have a lower budget as you mentioned (significantly lower) but it has also been doing well in the overseas territories it has been released.
STB overall is a well reviewed film. That might help it recoup more when it gets to the Pay and Subscription Movie Channel phase of it's revenue generation for Paramount. Time will tell.
That's not how it works. Movies are valued based on popularity which relates to box office success. Award winning films might be different, but just having good reviews from critics isn't going to matter much in negotiations. It's not like TV viewers are a much more discerning and erudite crowd than your average moviegoer.
It will sadly drop hard next week. the word of mouth is poor from almost all the critics and many fans. Suicide Squad will not have legs at the box office. it will not beat guardians of the galaxy or deadpool.
This is true. I don't think it will touch either of those film's box office. It will make a lot of money though and end up in the mid to high 200s.
The core fan base is still there clearly but Beyond lost most of the more general audience.
It probably lost about half the general audience from the 2009 film. But exactly how large do you think the "core" Star Trek audience is? The hard core trekkie will probably go to any film about Star Trek and probably several times. The rest of the casual Trek fanbase are probably hit and miss and probably most effected by reviews. The general fan who probably goes if they like the trailers or enjoy the genre is definitely someone affected by good/poor marketing and reviews. I really don't believe any Trek series could survive on just the hardcore ST fan or even hardcore and casual trek fans. If you lose the non-Trek general audience and iffy reviews cost you a portion of the casual fans and it's automatically going to be a flop.
STB will always be viewed historically as a better film I would guess.
Another guess...70% drop for Suicide Squad next week.
I don't think it will be quite that harsh but I expect something in the mid 60s. Even a 68% wouldn't shock me.
Forbes is predicting that Beyond will total around $300 million total (including domestic and international box office).
I don't think that's accurate. I believe the author was talking about what the Studio should expect from the series going forward (living with 150/300 dom/ww box office).
If Star Trek stabilizes this weekend in the 35-40% range we could be looking at final numbers in the $160-175 million ballpark. I think foreign will end up in the $210-215 range for a final WW tally of $375+ million.
Generations made $118 million worldwide on a $35 million dollar budget. Half of the gross would go to theaters, leaving $59 million ($24 million above budget) going to Paramount before Print and Advertising costs for a movie that was heavily marketed.
Generations doubled its production budget domestically and then added another $42m WW. This in an era of much lower marketing budgets and a rising DVD rental and sales market. Generations clearly generated a good profit for the franchise.
Paramount may be looking at the long game here. It's a fact that fans buy pretty much every release of every Trek video package (TNG Blu-rays excluded--I did say "pretty much"). Video releases will bring in many millions more, likely in perpetuity.
That is a great description! Beautifully put . . . the long game. This is not an original movie that Paramount is considering whether or not to make into a franchise. This is one of the longest running franchises in movie history. It has made a lot of money and will continue to do so if treated properly. The fact that video sales have been dropping significantly in general doesn't help any. While Star Trek still sells much better than general movies, Blue Rays and DVDs seem to be falling hard in popularity so the overall sales are nothing like they were a decade ago. Still while not offering Paramount the $150 million or so gain they got from ST09 in video sales, every extra $30-50 million in profit helps the bottom line.
It looks like it is in danger of not making its money back let alone a profit now even with overseas profits. I just saw the movie with my wife. It was ok but the villain wasn't very compelling and neither was the story. This one is tracking to make less then then the previous ones. I think they will make a 4th since it already is in the works but Paramount will not spend as much money on it which imo is a good thing because frankly I think the special effects were a bit crowded and way more than were needed.
I thought the special effects in space and combat were so short and dark that it seemed like a waste of time. However I thought the FX for the Yorktown was fabulous in portraying the overall atmosphere and I wouldn't have wanted to lose that (which clearly would have been cut instead of the space combat scenes).
Another option would be to go out all comedy on the next one... Comedy Sci-Fi seems to be quite popular with the general audience. There was a reason The Voyage Home was for a long time the most successful Star Trek movie.
The Voyage Home was a great and fun movie. It is one advantage that Star Trek has in changing up styles. It would be great if they went that way, they definitely took themselves very seriously in ST09 and STID. They seemed to lighten up a little more in STB. I, myself, would be intrigued with a more lighthearted sequel to change things up.
