Whose fault, if any can be given, was it for Voyager not good?

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^^That's and Galactia was 20 years old, was meant to be mothballed and contained technology that looked it.
There computers still had buttons & knobs on it.
the Galactic was at a great disadvantage right from the start.
They were up against an enemy 20 years more superior.
Voyager was meant to be top of the line and more state of the art than the then any ship we've seen before. Even before the show started, with a ship like Voyager there couldn't be any real hard ships or much struggle for survival.

 

[Bishop76]

The premise was never really what most detractors thought it was to begin with.

As I was about 17 or 18 when the show premiered, I think I'd have some idea of what the premise was. Or at the very least, what the premise was touted as. I was reading every bit of information about it at the time that I could. I was jazzed.

It was a flawed and rather sexist premise: The first time in Trek where we have a crew that the Captain can't control, they'd all hate one another and plot to backstab and mutiny all the time with the Captain unable to smooth things out.

And said Captain is a woman. Real great message there.

How is that a sexist premise? Isn't it actually NOT sexist if she actually manages to keep things relatively sane on the journey and gets everyone home by the end of the series? I think this is a ridiculous argument and Janeway could have been a memorable, hard-ass character like Adama (before that show got shitty) even if the crew wasn't completely under her control at all times.

The Maquis weren't the Feds enemies either. They were Cardassia's enemies first and foremost; they also never bothered developing the Maquis into the opposing force they were meant to be or just what the "Maquis Way" was and how it differed from Starfleet.

The Maquis wasn't supposed to be an "enemy", rather they were supposed to be opposed to Starfleet as well as the Cardassians if I remember correctly. It would have been nice to see some difficulties with integration a bit more frequently. I mean, if I were that Starfleet dude (Kerry?) who lost the job of chief engineer to some Maquis jag like Torres, I'd be pretty pissed.

It was just a botched project from the word go, IMO.

 

[Anwar]

How is that a sexist premise? Isn't it actually NOT sexist if she actually manages to keep things relatively sane on the journey and gets everyone home by the end of the series?

If she ever resolved the tensions between the crews, then the detractors complain that they threw out the premise by having them no longer be enemies. If she DOESN'T resolve the tensions and they still hate each other by series end 7 years later, it shows just how utterly incompetent she was.

No-Win.

The Maquis wasn't supposed to be an "enemy", rather they were supposed to be opposed to Starfleet as well as the Cardassians if I remember correctly. It would have been nice to see some difficulties with integration a bit more frequently. I mean, if I were that Starfleet dude (Kerry?) who lost the job of chief engineer to some Maquis jag like Torres, I'd be pretty pissed.

The whole "ship maintenance" issues were another no-win scenario: This crew NEEDED its engineers to work together by episode 3 or there would be no episode 4. In Farscape the ship didn't need a crew, and in NuBSG they never had the engineering/maintenance crews be anything but competent and never focused on that issue to begin with. So this was something that either would get resolved really fast, or just ignored.

If the other crew were Romulans, then there's something to work with.

 

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^Plus the scenario is always the same in any show with military.

Lt. Caraey gets mad.
LT. Carey says or does something he shouldn't.
Lt. Carey gets repremanded.

Credits roll.

 

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As I was about 17 or 18 when the show premiered, I think I'd have some idea of what the premise was. Or at the very least, what the premise was touted as. I was reading every bit of information about it at the time that I could. I was jazzed.

Yep, that was the original idea.
Than DS9's ratings started to slip and they they had to bring in the Defiant & Worf. So Paramount saw from that, that maybe gritty & controversial isn't what folks want.

 

[L0g1c]

Kate Mulgrew...

Janeway's voice was like nails on a chalkboard. I loved all the other characters, and the premise was interesting...

I only lasted a short time watching it. She killed it for me every time she opened her mouth and spoke

 

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Kate Mulgrew...

Janeway's voice was like nails on a chalkboard. I loved all the other characters, and the premise was interesting...

I only lasted a short time watching it. She killed it for me every time she opened her mouth and spoke

Too nasally?

I didn't at first either but it grew on me.

 

[Anwar]

Kate Mulgrew...

Janeway's voice was like nails on a chalkboard. I loved all the other characters, and the premise was interesting...

I only lasted a short time watching it. She killed it for me every time she opened her mouth and spoke

Can't stand Katherine Hepburn either?

 

[L0g1c]

Kate Mulgrew...

Janeway's voice was like nails on a chalkboard. I loved all the other characters, and the premise was interesting...

I only lasted a short time watching it. She killed it for me every time she opened her mouth and spoke

Too nasally?

I didn't at first either but it grew on me.

Yeah there was an element of talking through her nose kinda sound, but I think it was also her timbre. Whenever I closed my eyes and just listened to her, I could swear I was listening to a really old woman in a rocking chair or maybe a 19th century school teacher.

I liked the direction they went getting a woman to cpt a star ship. Made things interesting. It was just her voice...

I tried...really did try xD ....it was the only ST I couldn't watch with a big smile on my face

 

[L0g1c]

Kate Mulgrew...

Janeway's voice was like nails on a chalkboard. I loved all the other characters, and the premise was interesting...

I only lasted a short time watching it. She killed it for me every time she opened her mouth and spoke

Can't stand Katherine Hepburn either?

Good point. I like the sound of young Hepburn. Lovely.

Even when Hepburn's voice begins to lose its luster as she gets older its still better than Janeways. Hepburns is rich, Janeways is shallow and kind of Wicked Witch of the West sounding xD