Whose fault, if any can be given, was it for Voyager not good?
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I agree completely.
However, I think if "Endgame" had been a more satisfing ending, I think many more would feel less disappointed by the series in general.
Voyager was just fine. It had a few bad eps. but so does any other series. I watched (practically) all the eps. again last summer after not watching since Endgame (which did upset me, oh well), and was pleasantly surprised at how well the series held up; I enjoyed it. Knee-jerk jabs from supposed sci-fi know-it-alls at Voyager make me rather annoyed, but that's show biz for you. Look at other sites and you will see a lot of Voyager fans, I did and was glad to see that.
"Endgame" was a giant WTF to me first-run, which poisoned my opinion of the entire series. That was not really fair on my part, as I find myself enjoying the series much more this go round on my rewatch. I'm beginning season 7 and while season 6 probably had the most "skip" eps for me, overall, I'm enjoying the show tremendously, as much as I did first run.
I will grant the huge contingent of DS9 fans that it (DS9) is the better show, but Voyager is easier to like, if that makes any sense. I believe that's why my wife prefers Voyager, but if I am to be totally honest, in my book DS9 is tied with TOS for best series overall. But that doesn't make VOY or TNG trash.
Having been pleasantly surprised by Voyager, I will withhold judgement on Enterprise until I revist it. I wasn't overly fond of Trip or T'Pal and felt Archer was kind of shoved out an airlock focus/development wise, but we'll see.
If I may, maybe Endgame didn't poison you to the entire enterprise, it just made you finally realise that Berman had been poisoning you for years? Voyager is much like divorce like that.
The writing was pretty poor for this show. I watched Dark Frontier today and was quite bored and thought the dialogue was awful. The actors must have struggled to digest it. For me it just took me out of the story.
Afterwards I watched TNG - I Borg. The script and story was so much better.
And when Hugh met Picard and he called him Locutus it was such a "Duude, where's your implants?" moment.
The problem with MOST of the big ticket episodes is that they were always Borg or Time travel and they were saved for the producers to write and they very rarely let anyone else write Borg or time travel episodes because there was every chance it would steal from their thunder.
I'm not saying that the guys at the top are awful, but we know them. It's hard from them to surprise us because we know how they write and we know how they think because they wrote all the good episodes of TNG.
The problem with MOST of the big ticket episodes is that they were always Borg or Time travel and they were saved for the producers to write and they very rarely let anyone else write Borg or time travel episodes because there was every chance it would steal from their thunder.
I'm not saying that the guys at the top are awful, but we know them. It's hard from them to surprise us because we know how they write and we know how they think because they wrote all the good episodes of TNG.
I'm just the opposite.
Too me, "Dark Frontier" is one of my favorite Borg eps, while I find "I-Borg" badly acted and boring. For a race that was supposed to be one of the biggest threats to the galaxy, Hugh was a huge pussy.
Is that, really how the Borg see themselves?
They are a shining light of progress pulling the galaxy up by it's bootstraps into a more dignified and advanced form of existence.
As long as they are not intentionally or wittingly evil, that by their own moral code that they are respecting a sense of decency, then I am afraid SRFX, that you are just being a bigot.
They are a shining light of progress pulling the galaxy up by it's bootstraps into a more dignified and advanced form of existence.
As long as they are not intentionally or wittingly evil, that by their own moral code that they are respecting a sense of decency, then I am afraid SRFX, that you are just being a bigot.
Yeah the suits, too.
Right from the start, VOY seemed to be the first corporate ST, at least to me.
A series mainly designed to be "product" for a new network.
Not arising from a producer or writer desire to tell a story or create a vision--more like an assignment from the suits to make something with the ST name that can be marketed and sold.
Not that the prior series weren't also part of the "franchise", but VOY seemed more blatantly artificial than the others.
Right from the start, VOY seemed to be the first corporate ST, at least to me.
A series mainly designed to be "product" for a new network.
Not arising from a producer or writer desire to tell a story or create a vision--more like an assignment from the suits to make something with the ST name that can be marketed and sold.
Not that the prior series weren't also part of the "franchise", but VOY seemed more blatantly artificial than the others.
Charles Sonneburg (aka Sfedebris) has reviewed many Voyager episodes, and here's his take on why Voyager - after The Next Generation and alongside Deep Space Nine - was sometimes quite lacking and a relative failure for a long running big budget sci-fi show: he felt that because there were many writers on VOY from TNG who starting to run out of creative steam in TNG's final season (Jeri Taylor, Brannon Braga, and Michael Pillar), VOY's earlier seasons were what TNG's much later seasons would've probably been like if it didn't get concluded while it was still generally good, only without the familiar and trusted TNG cast ensemble.
LOL!
How about the viewers are to blame for being picky and having bad taste...
I have watched every series (except Enterprise) and I do not think the writing was any better. In some cases I believe it to be WORSE.
Is it possible viewers are just too hard on Voyager?
Holding it at a HIGHER STANDARD then the others.The special effects were WAY better... Just saying.
All the arguments about how bad Voyager was is tiresome because the comments are not always accurate except of course all the opinions which leads to the above comment... Every show has its flaws Voyager was not that bad even with its flaws.
The one thing I always disliked about VOY is that they left out scenes that the viewer would have liked to see. Like the end of resolutions... dealing with Chak and Janeway... Can't think of any others off the top of my head...
However, it is a wonderful scifi program and I enjoy it as I enjoy all the others even with their flaws.
While never as commercially popular as TNG and its spin-offs, Voyager looked bad in comparison to Babylon 5 and Farscape, shows that had more of a creative flare in comparison. Sure, Babylon 5 had CGI that dated horribly and a stable of rather campy, crappy actors, but its world building and story threads were stronger than most of what happened in Voyager.
Voyager was great from the start.
But the people in suits and their hired hands slowly ruined it.
And other people in suits and their hired hands continue to ruin it with more character destruction.
"They talk about creating but all they do is kill
They say we're gonna mend it but they never will"
"No No No"
Deep Purple
But the people in suits and their hired hands slowly ruined it.
And other people in suits and their hired hands continue to ruin it with more character destruction.
"They talk about creating but all they do is kill
They say we're gonna mend it but they never will"
"No No No"
Deep Purple
