Who would've replaced Scotty in Generations if Doohan had said no?

[Allyn Gibson]

I didn't even consider the Voyager factor, but that makes perfect sense.

 

[SantaTom]

Then Berman hires David Carson to be that hired gun, and Carson's crew takes him aside and tells him, "This is film, this is your set, this is how you should do things," much to Berman's chagrin.

Interesting. I had never heard the story about Carson, but it makes sense.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Welshy, of course.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Trying to think of a Welsh actor to play movie-era Welshie in 1994...

Sir Anthony Hopkins jumps to the top of the list, but he's unlikely for a cameo like that. Peter Penry-Jones might be a more realistic choice.

The key question, of course, is "Can he yodel?"

 

[Ssosmcin]

Welshy, of course.

Came here for this reply.

 

[BozoThePerson]

I think if they'd been unable to secure anyone other than Shatner for the film, the scene would have been rewritten to beef up the roles of the B bridge crew.

That said, I think Koenig, Doohan, and Nichols were all "gettable" when Kelley had to turn it down due to insurance issues and Nimoy bowed out. The only one I think was not "gettable" was Takei because "Sulu is a captain now." But the other three of the gang of four, the studio had a paycheck for two weeks' work, so some combo of them would have shown up, imho.

I was under the impression the Nichols turned it down because she felt she had a better swan song to her character in VI.

 

[BozoThePerson]

Scotty and Chekov replaced Spock and McCoy in Generations. If Koenig had turned down the role, Uhura or Sulu could've replaced him without too much trouble. But I find Scotty more difficult. If you can't get Spock to do the technical stuff in Generations, Scotty is your next good fit and, in some ways, works better than Spock. But I find it hard to see Uhura, Sulu, or Chekov coming up with the technical plan in his place if Doohan has also turned down the movie.

What do you think would've been a good fix if they couldn't have gotten Doohan either? Give it to a random Enterprise B crewperson? Have Kirk do it? Something else? Have the writers shared a back-up plan themselves?

Probably Rand or Kyle.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I was under the impression the Nichols turned it down because she felt she had a better swan song to her character in VI.

I know she wasn't interested in the version of the script where she had two lines. If they came back to her with a script where the non-Kirk TOS cast was pared down to Spock and McCoy and then reassigned to whomever was available, that I don't know.

 

[David cgc]

I was under the impression the Nichols turned it down because she felt she had a better swan song to her character in VI.

I mean, that “A transporter’s just like a man” line would’ve been a pretty lousy one to go out on.

 

[Riley]

I would love to see Nimoy's script notes on Generations. The parts are there, and with some script doctoring it could have been improved and fixed.

There really isn't anything more substantial that can be done with Spock in the prologue, so maybe leaving it for whoever of the Gang of Four was available is the way to go, but Spock's alive in the 24th-century, and there's some Romulan business that goes nowhere, which could lead to an opening for Ambassador Spock.

I've shared this idea before, but I think Generations would have been better as a sort of "Search For Kirk." Spock, McCoy, and Scotty are aboard the Enterprise-B, Kirk goes off to save the ship and is "killed" (sent into interphase again instead of the Nexus) and eighty years go by. Spock senses that Kirk is alive somehow and pulls his weight to get Starfleet to assign the Enterprise-D to him and his special advisors: Admiral McCoy and (maybe) Admiral Scott of Starfleet R&D. They go off to find Kirk but run into the Romulans along the way, who are indirectly responsible for what happened to Kirk eighty years earlier.

 

[Adventerprise]

How would Picard and crew figure into that, or would they?

 

[tim0122]

I've shared this idea before, but I think Generations would have been better as a sort of "Search For Kirk." Spock, McCoy, and Scotty are aboard the Enterprise-B, Kirk goes off to save the ship and is "killed" (sent into interphase again instead of the Nexus) and eighty years go by. Spock senses that Kirk is alive somehow and pulls his weight to get Starfleet to assign the Enterprise-D to him and his special advisors: Admiral McCoy and (maybe) Admiral Scott of Starfleet R&D. They go off to find Kirk but run into the Romulans along the way, who are indirectly responsible for what happened to Kirk eighty years earlier.

That'd be tricky. I think the problem with that is it'd feel too much like a original cast film guest starring TNG. It's Spock and co.'s story, not Picard's and the others.

 

[Tomalak]

I've shared this idea before, but I think Generations would have been better as a sort of "Search For Kirk." Spock, McCoy, and Scotty are aboard the Enterprise-B, Kirk goes off to save the ship and is "killed" (sent into interphase again instead of the Nexus) and eighty years go by. Spock senses that Kirk is alive somehow and pulls his weight to get Starfleet to assign the Enterprise-D to him and his special advisors: Admiral McCoy and (maybe) Admiral Scott of Starfleet R&D. They go off to find Kirk but run into the Romulans along the way, who are indirectly responsible for what happened to Kirk eighty years earlier.

Sounds like you would enjoy the novel 'Crossover', and 'The Return' from the Shatnerverse.

 

[Riley]

Sounds like you would enjoy the novel 'Crossover', and 'The Return' from the Shatnerverse.

I'm a fan of both!