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Who would you have killed off?

Who would you have killed off?


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I don't know, HR, I'm not sure that's the case.

I wouldn't kill off anyone "just because." I do think within the context of TATV, it made somewhat sense for Trip to die. Why? It's so the two main characters can move to their next rightful place, especially the hero of our story, Archer, whom the entire television show was based around. I find it odd, sometimes, that people can dislike the main character and the hero (sometimes hating that he's the hero), but like Enterprise.
 
I'm a HEA kinda gal, so I wouldn't have killed any of them off either. (Forrest dying twice was more than enough. *sniffle* ) I would prefer to see the entire regular cast (plus Shran and Soval) alive and well, and looking forward to a hopeful future.
That's my POV as well. Someone told be that every Star Trek finale needs to have a death in it; a little misery. We Enterprise fans got more than our fair share of misery (IMO). I would have gone one step further; not only would I have every one live in the finale, but I would have let Elizabeth live at the end of Terra Prime. They knew they were being canceled, what skin off their back would it have beed to let the baby live. (This is just a statement on my part, I don't want to get into that whole "Sanctity of Spock" debate).
 
Conceptually, I have no problem with "killing off" Trip in the finale - I just wish it hadn't been handled so stupidly. I would have given him a more thought out, deliberate death, and a proper mourning.

Were it not for the pseudo-canon bio in IAMD, I think Archer's death might have been interesting. I think he would have faced death with honor and equanimity; it also would be consistent with his unhesitatingly self-sacrificing nature that we saw so many times from Broken Bow to Terra Prime. It wouldn't even need to be all Archer-go-boom. I can imagine him just quietly doing what needed to be done in order to save his crew.
 
I wouldn't kill off anyone "just because." I do think within the context of TATV, it made somewhat sense for Trip to die. Why? It's so the two main characters can move to their next rightful place, especially the hero of our story, Archer, whom the entire television show was based around.
I don't believe Star Trek was ever supposed to be about a hero's journey (that's Star Wars). The way I see it, it's an ensemble show.

Even DS9, in which the lead character practically ascended to godlike status at the end, remained an ensemble show till the last second.

Were it not for the pseudo-canon bio in IAMD, I think Archer's death might have been interesting. I think he would have faced death with honor and equanimity; it also would be consistent with his unhesitatingly self-sacrificing nature that we saw so many times from Broken Bow to Terra Prime. It wouldn't even need to be all Archer-go-boom. I can imagine him just quietly doing what needed to be done in order to save his crew.
Imagine if there had been a three-part Terra Prime finale (instead of TATV), and Archer had sacrificed himself while saving baby Elisabeth's life, so two of his best friends could have a future. Wouldn't that been touching?
 
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I didn’t want anyone to die at the end of Enterprise, either. I believe that since the show didn’t get the usual 7 seasons and was cut short, TPTB could at least be kind enough to leave the fans with a nice taste in their mouths.
I was thinking why I absolutely hated that Trip died, I tried to persuade myself that I could have accepted a better death, with meaning etc etc, but then I realized that for me Trip was the future. For me he represented the optimism of the future in the show, and somebody killed it.
 
I think I would want something a bit more significant than
so two of his best friends could have a future.
actually. But I absolutely could see him trading his life for one or more of theirs, or anyone to whom he thinks he has a duty to protect.
 
I quite liked the idea of seeing Archer as an old man, in the 23rd Century, on his death bed. The night after the launch ceremony for the new U.S.S. Enterprise. Maybe revealing some regrets and a terrible secret. Putting the record straight about how he basically started the Romulan War. History redeems him however, as it unified split coalition races against a common enemy, resulting in a Federation.
 
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I wouldn't kill off anyone "just because."
Agreed. A death that is structurally sound, rather than contrived, can be very effective for the story and the viewer, and still allow for a satisfying, uplifting ending.

Forrest's death in "IaMD," for example, was structurally solid. He was the captain, and he stayed on the bridge, making sure his crew had time to escape, before he went down fighting. Even in the MU, Forrest was noble at the end. :) Forrest's death in "The Forge" worked for me too, since he didn't hesitate to sacrifice his own life to save another.

Someone told be that every Star Trek finale needs to have a death in it; a little misery.
Joss Whedon often kills off main characters to remind us all that shit happens, and that life is fragile and shouldn't be taken for granted. In more effective stories (Joss's or whoever's), such deaths are thematically/structurally "earned," that is, properly set up rather than arbitrary. Spock's death in Star Trek II is a great example.

Conceptually, I have no problem with "killing off" Trip in the finale - I just wish it hadn't been handled so stupidly. I would have given him a more thought out, deliberate death, and a proper mourning.
What she said. I didn't consider Trip's death particularly satisfying (structurally) because his actions seemed inconsistent with the way he had been portrayed earlier--even one episode earlier--in which he had the smarts to get out of far tougher fixes, without choosing the lowest-level solution, i.e., get hisself blowed up. And other than the scene in Trip's quarters between T'Pol and Archer, nobody seemed affected by Trip's death, which worked against the death being an emotionally affecting, heroic sacrifice.

Were it not for the pseudo-canon bio in IAMD, I think Archer's death might have been interesting. I think he would have faced death with honor and equanimity; it also would be consistent with his unhesitatingly self-sacrificing nature that we saw so many times from Broken Bow to Terra Prime. It wouldn't even need to be all Archer-go-boom. I can imagine him just quietly doing what needed to be done in order to save his crew.
That would have been perfectly in character for Archer. Look at his "death" in "Zero Hour"--in character, high stakes, getting the other crew to safety first, and a sacrifice to save the world. And we saw the aftermath, in the grief of his closest friends and colleagues.

I don't believe Star Trek was ever supposed to be about a hero's journey (that's Star Wars). The way I see it, it's an ensemble show.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Sure, Star Wars fits Campbell's classic myth structure, but the hero has friends and mentors who help him on his journey. If you call the series Enterprise one journey, Archer would be the "hero," the main protagonist.

And since this was a TV show, different characters could take turns being the "hero" of separate storylines or episodes. Travis was the hero of "Horizon," Phlox was the hero of "Doctor's Orders," and so on.
 
I don't believe Star Trek was ever supposed to be about a hero's journey (that's Star Wars). The way I see it, it's an ensemble show.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Sure, Star Wars fits Campbell's classic myth structure, but the hero has friends and mentors who help him on his journey. If you call the series Enterprise one journey, Archer would be the "hero," the main protagonist.

And since this was a TV show, different characters could take turns being the "hero" of separate storylines or episodes. Travis was the hero of "Horizon," Phlox was the hero of "Doctor's Orders," and so on.
I can certainly agree with that interpretation of a hero's journey, but to say that "Enterprise" is no more than a "Jonathan Archer Show" with others reduced to supporting cast... I mean, is the show in question really the same "Enterprise" I've spent four years watching with commitment and (mostly) joy? :wtf:
 
Joss Whedon often kills off main characters to remind us all that shit happens, and that life is fragile and shouldn't be taken for granted. In more effective stories (Joss's or whoever's), such deaths are thematically/structurally "earned," that is, properly set up rather than arbitrary. Spock's death in Star Trek II is a great example.
Yes, Spock's death was both meaningful and heroic, but also very short lived. Sort of takes something away from the heroic act when the character is brought back to life in the next movie, wouldn't you agree? (Not that there is anything wrong with that, after all it's only science fiction)

What she said. I didn't consider Trip's death particularly satisfying (structurally) because his actions seemed inconsistent with the way he had been portrayed earlier--even one episode earlier--in which he had the smarts to get out of far tougher fixes, without choosing the lowest-level solution, i.e., get hisself blowed up. And other than the scene in Trip's quarters between T'Pol and Archer, nobody seemed affected by Trip's death, which worked against the death being an emotionally affecting, heroic sacrifice.
Everything you said is true, and then some. There was nothing meaningful, nor heroic, nor satisfying about Tucker's death in TATV, the way it was written. I am a huge believer in the "middle finger to the fans" theory on that episode and no one can convince me otherwise. I remain a beilever in "Happy Endings" and still can't see why the "Television Franchise Finale" couldn't have been written that way. If for nothing else, for all the difficulties the Trip charachter went through in 4 seasons, he desreved an little happiness in the end. :techman:
 
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Archer. He was setup as the hero. Always right. Always the one who saved the day.

And it would have been so gutsy because they've never actually killed off a Captain before.
 
I quite liked the idea of seeing Archer as an old man, in the 23rd Century, on his death bed. The night after the launch ceremony for the new U.S.S. Enterprise. Maybe revealing some regrets and a terrible secret. Putting the record straight about how he basically started the Romulan War. History redeems him however, as it unified split coalition races against a common enemy, resulting in a Federation.
WOW!:eek: your kidding? I wrote something like that in a fan-fic! plus that's something I had hoped to see in the series!
 
Nobody. It seems a common almost cliched device to kill off some major character to make things edgy or emotional.

Trek usually is optimistic, and I would have liked a happy ending to the short-lived series, unalloyed by the death of any character.

To kill one of the main cast felt like a slap in the face, and I can't see handling it differently would have made it easier for me to accept the decision...ie, giving Trip a heroic ending with his friends mourning him...

Since it was clear there would be no tie-in movies to continue, I would have liked to have known a little more about the fate of all of the cast, especially Archer, T'pol & Trip (if he had survived the finale.)
 
I change my mind. ...

Keep the cast, kill off (or just get rid of) the executives that did not want scifi on their channel, and black out the show in homes of the haters that never say anything good.
 
Archer. He was setup as the hero. Always right. Always the one who saved the day.

And it would have been so gutsy because they've never actually killed off a Captain before.
Yep. It would have been a huge shocker. It wouldn't have worked on a show where the captain was carrying the load, like Picard in TNG, but on a show like ENT it would have worked fine.

Not that I'd actually want any of the characters to get killed off. I'm a "happy endings for everyone" guy myself. But space is dangerous, yadda yadda yadda.
 
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