Constitution and Constellation
Poll Who will YOU ship for?
- Thread starter Timofnine
- Start date
I totally agree. Stories are stories. If the journey is interesting enough...no need for me to feel the weight of elements of the franchise that are set in the future / already known.
We all knew the Titanic was going to hit an iceberg and sink...but it didn't keep millions of people from going and watching the movie, because the story they were telling within the framework of that known event was really compelling.
Exactly. Relationships on starship have been kept to a minimum. We've had a few but its largely been kept pretty low. I really don't want want see sappy soap opera love writing. Yuck.
It wasn't exactly cheating.
T'Pring eventually decided that, since Spock was considered a legend in Federation circles, she did not in fact want to be the consort of a legend. So when the time came for Spock to return to Vulcan to consummate the pon farr, T'Pring didn't immediately agree to the marriage; she chose Kirk as the champion to fight for her (as is her right, under Vulcan custom).
Her logic was thus: if Kirk won, he of course wouldn't want T'Pring, and would release her, so she could have her boyfriend Stonn. If Spock won, he wouldn't want her either (for daring to make the challenge in the first place) and she would still have Stonn.
(As for why T'Pring didn't simply choose Stonn to fight for her? She probably thought Spock would kick his ass. And by the look of things, that's just what would have happened.)
The basic thrust of the gist is, since T'Pring and Spock were never actually married, she never cheated on him. She simply chose the challenge - as I said, it was her right to do so.
Last edited:
Star Trek has always done romantic relationships. Enterprise had a couple. Deep Space Nine had quite a few. TNG likewise. It's never going to be Strange New Worlds the Hallmark channel. But I don't mind a little romance/comedy/horror/mystery/adventure with my sci-fi.
T’Pring and Spock were engaging in intimate romantic behaviours out of wedlock in episode one of this season which takes place many years before the marriage ‘incident’ of Amok Time. Were Spock and T’Pring in an ‘open’ long distance relationship before Amok Time or was it a casual one off affair/fling? Spock said that they had not seen each other since childhood in Amok Time? Had they secretly been meeting up before the wedding without their families knowledge? The episode Strange New World seems to suggest that they were doing so. Surely marriage is not necessary for commitment between two people though, even for a long distance relationship. When the pressure of marriage fell up upon T’Pring, she might not have known what best to do if she didn’t like Spock for some reason and did love someone else. Perhaps Spock had done something to upset T’Pring off screen, and they stopped their secret rendezvous as a result of this? Maybe she cut communication with Spock when she met Stonn because she did not want to court two people at once. Also, what would have actually happened if Kirk had refused to fight Spock? Why did she want two best friends to fight each other to the death anyway, that almost seems like an intentionally ‘spiteful’ thing to do? Was she jealous of Kirk and Spock’s friendship/relationship? Would Spock had died of his Pon Farr if he did not marry and consummate? Because in the end, he didn’t die of his Pon Farr when the marriage failed. Why didn’t T’Pring just tell Spock that she didn’t want to marry him? Spock is a reasonable, good and logical person so he would have understood and been emotionally supported by his friends after this rejection. Why didn’t Kirk or McCoy tell Spock just to forget T’Pring and move on?
It all seems like a bit of a complicated way of trying to get the message across to someone that you don’t want to marry them.
Maybe we will find out the answers to all of these questions and more in… Spock Amok!
Last edited:
He did not. He only said they were joined as children; "more than a betrothal, less than a marriage." T'Pring states the only way she could be separated from Spock was by the trial of combat and challenging the marriage ceremony. As Spock says, the Vulcans use tradition and ritual to shroud the whole process of actually picking a mate, because they find it so illogical.
Oh right, that makes sense now. My main exposure to Vulcan Pon Farr is via TSFS, Voyager’s Blood Fever and Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy which both lacked the deeper mythology.
Surely the ‘trial of combat’ goes against Surak’s teachings though?
It's part of their inner drives. Even Spock laments that even he, as a half-Vulcan, is still driven to return to Vulcan and take a mate or die. McCoy opines that it might be a consequence of all the repression of emotions. They are not free of emotions but constantly holding them under control, until they are hit by the passions too strong to hold back anymore.Oh right, that makes sense now. My main exposure to Vulcan Pon Farr is via TSFS, Voyager’s Blood Fever and Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy which both lacked the deeper mythology.
Surely the ‘trial of combat’ goes against Surak’s teachings though?
I kind of hope they better develop the whole pon farr thing. Vulcans obviously can — and have had on the various shows — sexual relationships outside the pon farr. In the first episode, Spock and T’Pring seem to be going through some sort of customary courtship ritual at a Vulcan temple where they have dinner, talk about their interests, decide if they find each other attractive as adults, and she is expected to ask the pertinent question after she’s had time to look him over. Is this the way a normal courtship goes or has it only come about since the Kirshara was discovered? At what point does the challenge become her only way to get out of a marriage she doesn’t want?.
Yeah but the only romance story I think I was ok with was Tom Paris and Bellana Torres. The others not so much. Enterprise and those stupid decon scenes were ridiculous. Lol
I'm not huge on shipping, but of the options given I'll go with La'an'an and Ortegas. The former seems like she could really use some one with a sense of humour.
She did not wish to be consort to a legend.
I'd hardly call that romance.
She did not wish to be consort to a legend.
I'd hardly call that romance.
Oh my god. The decon! More like opening scenes for cheesy porn from the 1970's.But as noted above, hardly romance.
Honestly, I'm happy for the creators of this show to tell me some stories. I will accept whomever with whomever as long as the story justifies it.
I would like to see on screen friendship between women (who would be older than schoolgirls) or between a man and a woman (without a romantic line). To see good bromance is always a pleasure. (What is the purpose of looking for sexual connotations in the all types of relationships, including parenting and mentoring? 
)
)
From the first 3 episodes I get the impression that Pike and Una are very close friends. And as we can see from Ep 1, they are not sleeping together.I would like to see on screen friendship between women (who would be older than schoolgirls) or between a man and a woman (without a romantic line). To see good bromance is always a pleasure. (What is the purpose of looking for sexual connotations in the all types of relationships, including parenting and mentoring?
Boredom. Also, when sexual love is held up as the ideal that becomes the goal.What is the purpose of looking for sexual connotations in the all types of relationships, including parenting and mentoring?
Spock and Chapel is fun, but I'm convinced that any crew member who is in any way attracted to men is crushing on Spock.
Doesn't matter. The trial by combat is grounded in their biology and predates Surak. And surely you don't think there's an entire planet full of Vulcans who all live by "Surak's teachings?"
And why would Surak have necessarily been against the trial of combat? He may well have considered it a normal and, dare I say, logical way for Vulcans to release the emotions bottled up within them.
If they're going to kill each other to win a mate...might as well do it in a way that's grounded in ritual.
If they're going to kill each other to win a mate...might as well do it in a way that's grounded in ritual.
Similar threads
