Spoilers Who is the mastermind in Season 3 of Picard?

[Campe]

Spoiler: REAL SPOILERS

Im not surprised by this reveal. I’m not particularly thrilled by it either. On one hand, the Borg are the TNG gang’s, particularly, Picard’s greatest enemy. On the other hand, they are so overdone. And I loved the apparent, as much as I hate the term, head canon that I created around season one where it seemed like the Borg were really done. That they were in disarray. And that narrative really wasn’t hurt too much by what we saw in season two. This, on its face, seems like pandering to the TNG fans who just want a TNG season eight.

Still, I’m willing to give it a chance.

I am genuinely excited about Admiral Shelby though.

 

[gvn2fly]

When I went back and reread the ideas posted during and after S1 by Chabon, I loved how much more expansive they were - while there were thoughts about prophets, Bashir and Garak, etc - he was also thinking big, on the consequences of these world shattering events of the past (the Dominion, the former Borg, the romulans). I just wish that world building was still here - things like the mystery box idea of romulans Chabon and Beyer developed and which Una McCormack expanded on was beautiful, as were other ideas. Some things didn't work, but I do miss that bigger world of S1.

I personally didn't think season 1 had a whole lot of world building. While the outcome of the X Borg was an interesting idea, one of my complaints of that season was that they didn't do anything with it. Still, I actually enjoyed S1 and how they tried to tell a different story with characters that had actually changed and that didn't just rely on nostalgia. This season just feels very small.

 

[cooleddie74]

Spoiler: REAL SPOILERS

Im not surprised by this reveal. I’m not particularly thrilled by it either. On one hand, the Borg are the TNG gang’s, particularly, Picard’s greatest enemy. On the other hand, they are so overdone. And I loved the apparent, as much as I hate the term, head canon that I created around season one where it seemed like the Borg were really done. That they were in disarray. And that narrative really wasn’t hurt too much by what we saw in season two. This, on its face, seems like pandering to the TNG fans who just want a TNG season eight.

Still, I’m willing to give it a chance.

I am genuinely excited about Admiral Shelby though.

Yeah, even with this spoiler reveal it's WAY better as a finale than either Season 1 or Season 2's muddled, frustrating and downright poor wrapups.

 

[Campe]

Yeah, even with this spoiler reveal it's WAY better as a finale than either Season 1 or Season 2's muddled, frustrating and downright poor wrapups.

I mean, I’d say we need to actually see the finale before we can say that. But as someone who really loved season one (until the finale) and enjoyed but found a lot of things to whine about in season two (including a lot in the finale), it’s not exactly a high hurdle to clear.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. Pretty much what I intended to say. You did it better.

 

[vulcancicada]

This may be my quintessential paranoia but, I feel like the spoilers could have been leaked on purpose. Maybe there is a bigger picture to be seen? Maybe the soul-sucking 'shapeshifter' aliens from "time's arrow" pop up at the last minute trying to suck jack's soul to ascend to great link changeling status?

 

[Tuskin38]

I feel like the spoilers could have been leaked on purpose.

No. They apparently came from someone who had a press copy.

 

[thribs]

Weak, ancient and has a grudge against humans/Starfleet. That's all we know

 

[vulcancicada]

No. They apparently came from someone who had a press copy.

And that person tripped and fell and uploaded them to the internet by accident?

 

[Tuskin38]

And that person tripped and fell and uploaded them to the internet by accident?

Obviously the press person uploaded them on purpose.

I thought you were implying that the studio leaked them.

 

[vulcancicada]

I just meant that we don't know the entire context of the episode and the spoilers could be misleading.

Obviously the press person uploaded them on purpose.

I thought you were implying that the studio leaked them.

 

[TerryTrek]

so jack can control sydney because she has assumidely been through an infected transporter?

Yup. This what what we saw in Episode 5.

Crewmembers actually being infected by the transporter;

Because Jack could control Sydney and Mura, they are both infected as well. Esmar as well. We saw her being enveloped by the vines in Jack's hallucination.
I suspect all the people he shot here are infected;

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With Jack, the Borg have a potential weapon to control most of Starfleet.

 

[NCC-73515]

This explains a lot.

Including the DNA shots in the end credits

Those DNA shots in the end credits (even when Edward Speelers' name shows up) are the only unaccounted for shots. They insinuate that someone's human genome is altered.

"We are not in control of what we pass on, weaknesses.. sins of our past"

I always thought the DNA stuff was about Jack being Picard's son, but there seems to be more to it.
Another still missing bit is the orange cloud stuff with "predicted function" at the end of the sequence.

 

[Campe]

The question then is anyone who has transported recently been affected? Riker, Worf, Raffi. They all beamed over to Daystrom Station. Or was it only when the changeling was imitating the transporter chief?

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

With Jack, the Borg have a potential weapon to control most of Starfleet.

Bones was right to be wary of transporters! BONES WAS RIGHT!

 

[TerryTrek]

Bones was right to be wary of transporters! BONES WAS RIGHT!

Yup, I'm glad we may have collectively (no pun intended) solved the mystery, just hours before the spoiler photos leaked.

 

[SJGardner]

Everyone will be infected, and the day will be saved by the crack team of Doctors McCoy and Pulaski. And they'll be bickering the whole time.

 

[Campe]

Everyone will be infected, and the day will be saved by the crack team of Doctors McCoy and Pulaski. And they'll be bickering the whole time.

Now that’s the kind of fan service I’d love.

 

[locborg]

Now that’s the kind of fan service I’d love.

I think some journalist who saw the final episode said something about that the end of Picard would change the franchise forever. What if they don’t actually manage to completely reverse the effects of the Borg transporter virus? It would make most of the federation personnel some kind of Borg hybrid. The implications could be a cool premise for future shows in the 25th century

 

[Campe]

I think some journalist who saw the final episode said something about that the end of Picard would change the franchise forever. What if they don’t actually manage to completely reverse the effects of the Borg transporter virus? It would make most of the federation personnel some kind of Borg hybrid. The implications could be a cool premise for future shows in the 25th century

Hmmmm… I hope not.