Wow, even Stephen Colbert can't make the Klingons in Discovery interesting.
Spoilers Who is sympathetic to the Klingons?
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Wow, even Stephen Colbert can't make the Klingons in Discovery interesting.
I like the analogy between the Klingons of STD and modern day Russia.
The Federation and NATO both try to cloak themselves in good intentions and as a guarantor of “peace”, while they at the same time aggressively push up against the borders of other powers (Russia, China the Klingon Empire) who can only watch the passive aggression with trepidation and worry.
And while both do lip service to concepts like “diversity”, it’s clear that it’s a diversity very narrowly defined.
A Federation truly devoted to peace and justice, would have no problem with readjusting their borders to ease Klingon worries, just like a NATO truly devoted to peace and being a defensive alliance wouldn’t constantly push up against the borders of other powers.
One thing that counts as a positive for STD I guess, is that for the first time in Trek history, the Klingons vs The Federation isn’t a simple question of evil vs. good.
But of one evil vs a greater evil.
The only reason that NATO "pushes up against the borders" of Russia is because nations that border Russia like Poland and the Baltic states are scared as hell of the Russians controlling them again.
Russia has only its past to blame for that fear and thus NATO expansion. I would say the same would apply to the Klingons.
Change Poland with Cuba and Russia with USA and you’ve got exactly the same situation in 1962.
And yet Vulcan is a founder member lol
While I mentioned the NATO analogy myself it's also B.S. It's space. Space is really really frigging big. There's no analogue to a border situation.
But yes, in real life, many powers DO have serious issues with their neighbors building powerful military and economic alliances.
Turkey and the EU for a less threatening example.
But yes, in real life, many powers DO have serious issues with their neighbors building powerful military and economic alliances.
Turkey and the EU for a less threatening example.
Not at all. The Soviets putting nuclear missiles in Cuba had absolutely nothing to do with the U.S. attempts to overthrow Castro.
The United States wasn't exactly treating Cuba well to begin with by that point.
Castro was worse.
One should not confuse understanding for condoning. One is entirely capable of thinking Klingons and authoritarian totalitarian regimes are awful people but noting the methods used to combat them can and have been terrible as well. Which is I suspect what we'll get with Section 31 vs. The Klingons.
Which again the US initiated by placing nuclear missiles in Turkey and Italy.
Clearly if you are sympathetic, you completely condone any behaviors by that person, race or nation.
This is true.
KILL THE FEDERATION DOGS! RISE UP, SONS OF KAHLESS! SLAUGHTER THEM! SLAUGHTER THEM ALL!
Odd fact, before this show started I'd just started a D20 Star Trek game about Klingon terrorists versus the Federation.
Has the "Section 31 in Discovery" actually been confirmed onscreen or is it all speculation at this point?
Just speculation but I will say it feels more organic and believable than shoving them in ENT and the books as behind EVERYTHING.
Well, in ENT they were depicted as being behind the covert attempt to stabilize the Klingon Empire by helping find a cure for the Augment virus. Harris and Section 31 were working with Krell and the Klingons to eradicate the Levodian flu outbreak that would have killed untold millions and completely disrupted the Empire had it not been stopped. We never saw the hands of the early Section 31 in anything else, we just know that Malcolm worked for them before he joined Enterprise and that means they were operating as Earth's covert domestic and offworld intelligence service prior to 2151.
It's all speculation, nothing more. Nobody would have even thought of them in the first place if not for the fact that the Discovery's registry number has 31 in it.
And not even Section 31 is THAT sloppy.
Starfleet Intelligence is the only legitimate organization. They can operate covertly when they need to, but they can still get it done legally. Section 31 is nothing more than terrorism. (Even if they themselves don't realize it.)
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And not even Section 31 is THAT sloppy.
That's just what they want you to think. Hiding in plain sight, etc.
^ They're also not that good.
Fleet Admiral Krell sure owned Harris, didn't he? Suckered him into doing the dirty work for the Klingons and then dumped him like last week's gagh.
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