Are you voting for Trump?
Who is going to win this election in November?
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Please tell me this is a mistake in wording?I know Hillary has a lot of trust issues, but her issues are (sadly) within the norm for politicians. Trump is beyond the pale. Hillary might make some questionable deals to benefit her position or her causes behind the scenes, but I'm not worried that she'll sell the country or our allies out to the Russians for a goddamn percentage, or do something worse. Trump will, and already has said and done so.
This false equivalency nonsense needs to stop. They're not remotely comparable choices. She's a public servant with occasional ethics issues whose feet can and should be held to the fire, and he's a corrupt and treasonous fascist oligarch who can't control himself or be controlled by others. It's apples and orange guy.
Trump’s Campaign Chief Listed in Ukraine Ledger Detailing Millions in Cash Payments
By Daniel Politi
This certainly does not look good for Donald Trump or his campaign chief. An incredible bit of reporting from the New York Times published Sunday night reveals that Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort’s name shows up 22 times in a secret ledger that appears to detail cash payments doled out by Ukraine’s pro-Russia party before it was deposed in a popular uprising. Let’s get the main point out of the way: the story doesn’t actually prove anything but it’s damning nonetheless because at the very least illustrates just how close Manafort appears to have been working with Ukraine’s former president Viktor Yanukovych.
According to handwritten ledgers, Manafort received $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments from Yanukovych’s party between 2007 to 2012. The details were uncovered by Ukraine’s anti-corruption bureau that is trying to piece together the vast network of corruption that the previous government used to essentially loot the state.
The anti-corruption officials recognize they still don’t know whether Manafort, who was already known to have worked with the Pro-Putin government, actually received the money detailed in the ledger. Still, they say that his connections to the political and business interests of the deposed government seem to make it unlikely he didn’t know about the rampant corruption, which included funneling of cash to offshore companies. “He understood what was happening in Ukraine,” said a former senior official in Kiev. “It would have to be clear to any reasonable person that the Yanukovych clan, when it came to power, was engaged in corruption.”
It seems Manafort needs to brace himself for more bad news in the coming days. Journalist Adam Weinstein wrote on Twitter: “Speaking as someone who has a story coming this week: This is just the beginning for Manafort. It gets worse.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...isted_in_ukraine_ledger_of_cash_payments.html
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Donald Trump Threatens To Revoke ‘New York Times’ Press Credentials At CT Rally
by Don Crothers
Donald Trump threatened to pull the New York Times‘ press credentials at a rally tonight in Fairfield, Connecticut. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the escalating attack against the New York Times (against which Trump has previously spoken) were due to recent NYT coverage of the inside of Trump’s allegedly failing campaign.
“I’m not running against crooked Hillary,” Trump told the hushed crowd. “I’m running against the crooked media. That’s what I’m running against, it’s true.”
“But these are the most dishonest people. The good news is, I love, you know, I put down ‘failing at New York Times‘. The newspaper’s going to hell. They’ve got a couple of reporters in that newspaper who are so bad with, I mean, lack of talent, but it’s going to hell. So I think maybe what we’ll do, maybe we’ll start thinking about taking their press credentials away from them.”
The New York Times article that allegedly provoked his comments was published earlier today, and cites numerous sources within the Trump campaign, both anonymous and otherwise — sources which Trump says don’t exist. “It’s a garbage paper,” he added.
The article, by NYT reporters Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman, paints a grim picture of the state of Trump’s campaign. While spokespeople assure his voters that Trump is doing just fine, sources tell another story; that of a candidate who ignores his advisers’ pleas to stop making damaging statements, who is not convinced that he will win but insists on continuing to run his campaign the way he always has, and who is “often sullen and erratic” away from the public eye.
He also, according to the article, often broods over his worsening relationship with the media — a relationship that he isn’t helping any by suggesting that he will revoke the press credentials of his detractors.
According to the CT Post, Trump arrived late to the rally. A woman at the rally carrying a “Dump Trump” sign had it torn from her hands before being ejected to a cry of “Get her out!” from Trump.
Additionally, within the first minute of the rally, he’d incited the crowd to jeer the reporters there more than half a dozen times — it’s no wonder he enjoys a poor relationship with the media.
It is, at best, troubling that a candidate for the highest office in the nation would enthusiastically contemplate revoking access to media outlets that he personally doesn’t like.
But what is truly worrisome is that of all people, especially if he wins the presidency, Donald Trump might just do it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3415774/do...-credentials-at-ct-rally/#y7lGrak5IjRiQmBD.99
By Daniel Politi
This certainly does not look good for Donald Trump or his campaign chief. An incredible bit of reporting from the New York Times published Sunday night reveals that Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort’s name shows up 22 times in a secret ledger that appears to detail cash payments doled out by Ukraine’s pro-Russia party before it was deposed in a popular uprising. Let’s get the main point out of the way: the story doesn’t actually prove anything but it’s damning nonetheless because at the very least illustrates just how close Manafort appears to have been working with Ukraine’s former president Viktor Yanukovych.
According to handwritten ledgers, Manafort received $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments from Yanukovych’s party between 2007 to 2012. The details were uncovered by Ukraine’s anti-corruption bureau that is trying to piece together the vast network of corruption that the previous government used to essentially loot the state.
The anti-corruption officials recognize they still don’t know whether Manafort, who was already known to have worked with the Pro-Putin government, actually received the money detailed in the ledger. Still, they say that his connections to the political and business interests of the deposed government seem to make it unlikely he didn’t know about the rampant corruption, which included funneling of cash to offshore companies. “He understood what was happening in Ukraine,” said a former senior official in Kiev. “It would have to be clear to any reasonable person that the Yanukovych clan, when it came to power, was engaged in corruption.”
It seems Manafort needs to brace himself for more bad news in the coming days. Journalist Adam Weinstein wrote on Twitter: “Speaking as someone who has a story coming this week: This is just the beginning for Manafort. It gets worse.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...isted_in_ukraine_ledger_of_cash_payments.html
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Donald Trump Threatens To Revoke ‘New York Times’ Press Credentials At CT Rally
by Don Crothers
Donald Trump threatened to pull the New York Times‘ press credentials at a rally tonight in Fairfield, Connecticut. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the escalating attack against the New York Times (against which Trump has previously spoken) were due to recent NYT coverage of the inside of Trump’s allegedly failing campaign.
“I’m not running against crooked Hillary,” Trump told the hushed crowd. “I’m running against the crooked media. That’s what I’m running against, it’s true.”
“But these are the most dishonest people. The good news is, I love, you know, I put down ‘failing at New York Times‘. The newspaper’s going to hell. They’ve got a couple of reporters in that newspaper who are so bad with, I mean, lack of talent, but it’s going to hell. So I think maybe what we’ll do, maybe we’ll start thinking about taking their press credentials away from them.”
The New York Times article that allegedly provoked his comments was published earlier today, and cites numerous sources within the Trump campaign, both anonymous and otherwise — sources which Trump says don’t exist. “It’s a garbage paper,” he added.
The article, by NYT reporters Alexander Burns and Maggie Haberman, paints a grim picture of the state of Trump’s campaign. While spokespeople assure his voters that Trump is doing just fine, sources tell another story; that of a candidate who ignores his advisers’ pleas to stop making damaging statements, who is not convinced that he will win but insists on continuing to run his campaign the way he always has, and who is “often sullen and erratic” away from the public eye.
He also, according to the article, often broods over his worsening relationship with the media — a relationship that he isn’t helping any by suggesting that he will revoke the press credentials of his detractors.
According to the CT Post, Trump arrived late to the rally. A woman at the rally carrying a “Dump Trump” sign had it torn from her hands before being ejected to a cry of “Get her out!” from Trump.
Additionally, within the first minute of the rally, he’d incited the crowd to jeer the reporters there more than half a dozen times — it’s no wonder he enjoys a poor relationship with the media.
It is, at best, troubling that a candidate for the highest office in the nation would enthusiastically contemplate revoking access to media outlets that he personally doesn’t like.
But what is truly worrisome is that of all people, especially if he wins the presidency, Donald Trump might just do it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3415774/do...-credentials-at-ct-rally/#y7lGrak5IjRiQmBD.99
I know Hillary has a lot of trust issues, but her issues are (sadly) within the norm for politicians. Trump is beyond the pale. Hillary might make some questionable deals to benefit her position or her causes behind the scenes, but I'm not worried that she'll sell the country or our allies out to the Russians for a goddamn percentage, or do something worse. Trump will, and already has said and done so.
This false equivalency nonsense needs to stop. They're not remotely comparable choices. She's a public servant with occasional ethics issues whose feet can and should be held to the fire, and he's a corrupt and treasonous fascist oligarch who can't control himself or be controlled by others. It's apples and orange guy.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
It's not a mistake in wording. Bush got all the garbage thrown at him because he lied about the war and people died. Apparently Hilary allowing people to die without back up from her department is the "norm for politicians?" Sorry, I find that to be a severe issue of trust that I cannot bridge. I don't think her plans for the economy are beneficial, I think that the United States will continue its anemic growth if Obama's policies are continued and I don't see that changing.
I know Hillary has a lot of trust issues, but her issues are (sadly) within the norm for politicians. Trump is beyond the pale. Hillary might make some questionable deals to benefit her position or her causes behind the scenes, but I'm not worried that she'll sell the country or our allies out to the Russians for a goddamn percentage, or do something worse. Trump will, and already has said and done so.
This false equivalency nonsense needs to stop. They're not remotely comparable choices. She's a public servant with occasional ethics issues whose feet can and should be held to the fire, and he's a corrupt and treasonous fascist oligarch who can't control himself or be controlled by others. It's apples and orange guy.
As I said, I don't like either, but I don't Hillary benefiting anyone but herself. I also want people to vote!!!!
again, who are you voting for?
I have not decided yet. I am still doing research. I think both main party candidates could win depending on how their individual elections are run.
do you see any reason to vote for trump?
She's done a lot for other people. Especially the neediest among us. Trump, not so much.
I think he has a better grasp of economics than Hilary, I think he is willing to appoint the right people for the job rather than just curtail political favorites, and I think that there is maverick attitude that may be needed in the political system.
Economics is my main concern right now. Also, regardless, I think that the Congressional race is far more important.
I'll bear that in mind.
What makes you think he knows more about economics? In any case, you do know the President actually has no control over the country's economics?
I think you know very well that I was talking about the emails and situations like that.
But did you seriously just compare the deliberate manipulation and falsifying of evidence of WMDs by the Bush Administration to provide justification for a preemptive invasion that resulted in thousands of American and allied deaths and wounded, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths and wounded, and a power vacuum which created ISIS, to the four deaths at Benghazi which multiple nonpartisan and even the Republican's own investigations could not find any evidence of negligence on Hillary's part?
And by the way, yes, consulate and diplomatic attacks of that nature are not uncommon events. It's a dangerous job:
http://www.politifact.com/embassyattacks/
The economy is doing quite well, actually, though it's not doing equally well for everyone. But economists of all political stripe agree that Trump's economic policies would be a disaster for the country:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-economy-217496
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped...scarier-when-you-actually-study-it-1.11962903
I do know that, I do understand that. Please don't talk down to me.
What makes me think he knows more about economics? Being in private enterprise, having to make a budget, making payroll choices, failing are all things that can be learned in the private sector. Government doesn't learn that way.
And?
Sure they did. Just no one wants to bring charges. She lied to Congress and mislead them. She lied to the American people and manipulated the story to her own benefit.
No, I'm not comparing it to Bush. I'm just amused by the contrast. Also,
I'll read that and take it in to consideration.
He has declared bankruptcy 4 times and is renown in real estate (a shady business in its own right) for his dishonest and unethical practices
Well, given our current national debt, bankruptcy experience may not be a bad thing.
Also, I think Hilary is just as dishonest and just as unethical. As I said in my initial post, I don't trust either one.
I personally think it won't matter who wins, because if Republicans continue to control Congress then they'll stop a lot of legislation. I'm more worried about Congressional races than I am the Presidency, as odd as that sounds. Mostly because the choices suck.
Hillary is spelled with 2 "L"s. How do you feel about his border wall nonsense? His "vetting immigrants" nonsense? His gunnut comments? His a priori cheating accusations? His callousness toward minorities? His threats to ban media? His acceptance of security roughing up protestors? The fact that ultraconservative and racist groups support him?Well, given our current national debt, bankruptcy experience may not be a bad thing.
Also, I think Hilary is just as dishonest and just as unethical. As I said in my initial post, I don't trust either one.
I personally think it won't matter who wins, because if Republicans continue to control Congress then they'll stop a lot of legislation. I'm more worried about Congressional races than I am the Presidency, as odd as that sounds. Mostly because the choices suck.
And you pulled a cheap strawman by saying "Apparently Hilary allowing people to die without back up from her department is the "norm for politicians?" as if I was dismissively talking about life and death situations like Benghazi instead of more mundane ethical lapses like her emails. It was a weak and disingenuous tactic.
Riiiight. Because the Republicans in Congress are such good friends of Hillary Clinton. They didn't press charges because there's nothing to press charges for despite several neutral and partisan investigations.
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