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Who is going to win this election in November?

Who will win the general presidential election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 37 22.7%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 126 77.3%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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That its an idea, not an impossibility.
Simply saying that something isn't impossible isn't any kind of reason to conclude that it's true. Anything that, based on the evidence, is astronomically improbable yet with non-vanishing probability of occurring is, strictly speaking, not impossible. If your most convincing argument is that it isn't impossible, then you're running with alien attack fleets hiding behind Jupiter and getting ready to strike (and interfering with all of our space probes that could see them, which they would logically do, right?).
 
Simply saying that something isn't impossible isn't any kind of reason to conclude that it's true. Anything that, based on the evidence, is astronomically improbable yet with non-vanishing probability of occurring is, strictly speaking, not impossible. If your most convincing argument is that it isn't impossible, then you're running with alien attack fleets hiding behind Jupiter and getting ready to strike (and interfering with all of our space probes that could see them, which they would logically do, right?).
I never concluded it was true. It probably isn't. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm simply open to the possibility in a way that I'm not open to the idea that Trump is an alien liaison to the aliens behind Jupiter.
 
If Donald Trump is colluding with the Democrats, he's the only person in his rabid dog house of a campaign that knows about it.
 
You were called on to defend it because you said Hillary was less trustworthy than Trump was. If you can't deal with defending your viewpoint it's probably not wise to make indefensible statements.
Oh, ok.
You didn't like it when someone succinctly replied to your argument, such as it is, by saying "bullshit," but there really is no other answer to this kind of completely divorced from reality nonsense. You don't conduct multiple investigations if you're not trying to find something. And you know what, they should investigate. But at some point after multiple investigations have come up with nothing incriminating, it's time to move on because it becomes obvious you're just playing political games to smear your rivals.
She mishandled classified information and lied to Congress about it. I now don't find her trustworthy. Hopefully that succinct connection is more clear.

Why the Republicans won't go further, I don't know. I have suspicions, especially given the Party's view on Trump, but that, no doubt, will be labeled a "conspiracy theory." (I thank the Washington TImes for the idea though).
The economy does better under Democrats and federal spending is balanced or reduced more under Democrats.

People voting for Trump to shake things up from "politics as usual" are irresponsible idiots who don't care about the consequences of their actions when they help elect a fascist just because he's not a Washington insider.
Workforce participation is at the lowest it has been in decades under Obama, he has not seen a growth of GDP above 3% in his presidency, and the national debt has expanded nearly double. I don't see spending as better if debt keeps going up.

Federal government expansion and bureaucracy expansion are going to increase costs on everyone to the point that it is unsustainable. A government cannot spend itself out of debt. There are multiple examples across the globe of this.

How about no? If you don't want people to respond to you, start a blog.
Thank you for the advice.
 
She mishandled classified information and lied to Congress about it. I now don't find her trustworthy. Hopefully that succinct connection is more clear.
Uh-uh. No. Hold the phone.

My "bullshit" reply was specifically in relation to the subject that was at that time under discussion: Benghazi. I even quoted what I was replying to, for clarity in that post. At that point, I hadn't commented on email-gate.
 
Let me be very clear, since apparently I am now called upon to defend all of Trump's actions-I can't defend all of his actions.

That's (one reason) why Trump is a bad candidate. That's what elected Republicans would have to look forward to for the next four years if Trump were elected.

I won't vote for Clinton because I don't trust her, and because I think she will spend the country in to more debt.

I have to ask: Why do you think Trump won't? His tax proposal (the new one, not the original, even more ridiculous one) by his own team's admission would reduce revenues about $3 trillion over ten years. How to pay for that? Well, the details are vague, but apparently by the economy doubling its annual growth rate, just like that. You're supposed to trust him on that.

OTOH the Tax Policy Center says Clinton's plan would increase revenues $1.1 trillion over ten years.
 
She mishandled classified information and lied to Congress about it.
That's just a commentary and truism about politicians. All politicians lie. But we only remember the last one for two weeks and then are shocked three weeks after that when the next one lies. And it's always the other party that lies because of said amnesia. It's shocking, shocking!
 
I am not a huge Hillary fan. Truth be told, of the initial slate of candidates, I liked Martin O'Malley. A smart, safe, bureaucrat with a history of enacting progressive reforms in his state. Had the GOP nominated a more moderate, centrist candidate, I could possibly have held my nose and voted for them, just to not live with the yelling and screaming and investigations for 4-8 years. But that isn't what happened. The GOP has decided they are not that interested in winning, but only ideological purity, forgetting that you can't put an agenda in place if you don't win. The final two GOP candidates were the wackiest of their whackjobs. You know who I could have voted for? The 2008 version of Romney. The Romney who was a Republican governor of a very blue state, who implemented health care, and who while opposing gay marriage was at least in favor of domestic partner benefits which in 2002 was not where the rest of the republican party was. Not the 2012 version who had to lurch to the right to get the nomination. But by nominating Trump, they are forcing me to vote for a candidate who I don't necessarily like or trust, because at least she can competently govern as opposed to the crazy guy on the other side of the room waving his arms around and picking out the countries he wants to bomb.
 
FWIW, a couple of weeks ago I spent a couple of days with a relative who is a staffer to a Republican US senator, and who was in Cleveland for the first two days (his boss was one of those who had "other things to do" during the convention). Though he and I disagree on most everything political, he readily agreed with me on two points:

One, the GOP had nominated the best candidate from the primary field for Hillary to beat (OK maybe Carson), and, two, the only thing worse for the future of the Republican party than a Trump loss would be a Trump victory.
 
I often wonder when the GOP will "take their party back," I really do. Optimistic prognostications from uber-liberals aside (I'm close to being one of these, but I don't count myself among their flock because the "political correctness crusade" of late really gets on my nerves. Anyway....) -- the GOP isn't going to die if things go south in this election. This country will never become some neo-liberal utopian paradise...we're too diverse a people, and politics is a cyclical thing.

But I do wonder when they will shut down the Tea Party. Seriously, enough is enough with the wingnuts. Six years is a good run for them in this modern age...it's time for the big-boy Republicans to be actual adults and shut them up, and stop pandering to them if Trump gets whipped on November 8th. Because if he gets whipped, and it trickles down-ticket and the Congressional races start to suffer from his radioactive brand of crazy, how much more of a mandate do they need from the people that the inmates need to be locked up in the asylum again?

I'm relatively young. I'm not yet 32, which means I'm really too young to remember the "old school Republicans." History is revisionist sometimes, but I've been told that the Republican party used to be a lot less crazy than its current, post-2009, Tea party-infected self. If that's true, they need to fix it, and get some sane people in leadership positions. Because right now they have positioned themselves as the "Anti-American" party.
 
...the only thing worse for the future of the Republican party than a Trump loss would be a Trump victory.
That's such a good quote I went looking for it on Google. I didn't find it, but there are plenty of articles with that sentiment, like this one:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rump-2016-election-loss-save-republican-party

I only read about 25% of it to make sure it applied, but I get the overall impression that the Republicans want to stubbornly drop anchor with their platform while the swift and permanent social current of young and enlightened voters leave the stodgy GOP and their prejudiced and ignorant anti-science pro-exclusionary platform behind.
 
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Exactly so.
Hopefully, Trump will get fucking crushed in November and the Republican Party will finally admit that the Tea Party has been poison to the Republican party and will tell them to go away and be their own far right party and let the Republican Party attract minorities and millennials w a calmer more reasonable true conservative base.
 
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