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Spoilers Who is Chief of Security Now?

Doing something you don't like doesn't equal "incompetence".

Showing Shaxs die on an exploding ship, introducing another character to replace him, and then bringing the former back from the dead with no explanation... is not 'good writing'.
 
Showing Shaxs die on an exploding ship, introducing another character to replace him, and then bringing the former back from the dead with no explanation... is not 'good writing'.
Nah, it’s just something you didn’t like. It was actually on the episode’s plots. The characters reacted to it.
 
Nah, it’s just something you didn’t like. It was actually on the episode’s plots. The characters reacted to it.

Characters reacting to something doesn't automatically make that something well written. Anyway, differing opinions.
 
Showing Shaxs die on an exploding ship, introducing another character to replace him, and then bringing the former back from the dead with no explanation... is not 'good writing'.
Seems a perfect way to utilize the show's format of this being about low ranking officers who don't know what's really going on. We always see main character die and resurrect on the other shows, but surely the background nobodies aren't made aware of how that person resurrected. Now we see that side of the story.
 
I think we can expect an episode coming, in which a transporter accident leaves us with a new-but-familiar character named "Kayshixs." :lol: And the captain will be totally cool with it this time.
 
Characters reacting to something doesn't automatically make that something well written. Anyway, differing opinions.
Again, it was a plotline in the episode built around a Star Trek trope. It was crafted pretty well with characters having different reaction to what happened. If you're gonna call it poorly written, you'll have to do better than "I don't like that trope".
 
Again, it was a plotline in the episode built around a Star Trek trope. It was crafted pretty well with characters having different reaction to what happened. If you're gonna call it poorly written, you'll have to do better than "I don't like that trope".

You keep saying I'm basing my argument on "I don't like that trope", when I never suggested anything like that?

I'm not sure how much more I need to explain. A character had a surprisingly poignant and heroic sacrifice at the end of the series finale. That was immediately cheapened and walked back 3 episodes later, with no explanation. I don't care if it's referencing a Star Trek trope, that doesn't make it good writing.

If only every story-teller in the industry could achieve compelling writing simply by making characters "react" to something that happened. And you accuse me of having to "do better".
 
Again, it was a plotline in the episode built around a Star Trek trope. It was crafted pretty well with characters having different reaction to what happened. If you're gonna call it poorly written, you'll have to do better than "I don't like that trope".
Indeed. Also, I'll never understand how a character coming back is bad writing.
 
You keep saying I'm basing my argument on "I don't like that trope", when I never suggested anything like that?

I'm not sure how much more I need to explain. A character had a surprisingly poignant and heroic sacrifice at the end of the series finale. That was immediately cheapened and walked back 3 episodes later, with no explanation. I don't care if it's referencing a Star Trek trope, that doesn't make it good writing.

If only every story-teller in the industry could achieve compelling writing simply by making characters "react" to something that happened. And you accuse me of having to "do better".
You could explain why the writing was bad. Plot, dialog, structure, pacing. That sort of thing.

The entire plot was about how pressing for an "explanation" is forbidden. It's something one avoids talking about and when Rutherford got one it shook him to his core.

Storytelling is about reaction. Compelling? I was drawn into Rutherford's predicament. Was it an emotional heart rending story that strikes at the very essence of what it means to be human? No. But it's not that kind of show.
 
If only every story-teller in the industry could achieve compelling writing simply by making characters "react" to something that happened. And you accuse me of having to "do better".
This show is a comedy. Comedy is based in characters reacting. The fact that Shaxs is back without explanation is the joke. Rutherford's reaction to it is a proxy for the audience.
 
As to the question of this thread ...
I believe that Episode 4 has pretty much established that Shaxs is back to being the Security Chief.
 
Well, he’s maintained his previous rank, which is higher than Kayshon. So there’s that, too - the franchise sometimes plays with position over rank, but these two are in the same division aboard the Cerritos.

It’s entirely likely IMO that they’re just waiting on another opening for senior tactical officer to open up elsewhere in the fleet, and Kayshon’ll be on his way. Unless it turns out he likes it here, despite being turned into a puppet his first day on the job.

Mark
 
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Yeah, my belief is that Kayshon was transferred to be Chief of Security, possibly his first posting, given his low rank, but has stayed on when Shaxs returned from beyond the grave.

Perhaps Starfleet is waiting for an opening. In the meantime, I assume he's the second in charge of the security department, which we've seen is a tight-knit group and very welcoming of new members.
 
Second contact ships might actually have a larger than average need for security forces. Not every frontline starship would be expected to provide naval infantry for planetside action: their yellowshirts might be more like the Marines of yore, keeping shipboard order, providing honorary and practical escort, and performing special duties in combat. Yet the department on a California might require staying power, the ability to deploy at least a couple of platoons on a planet for a month to quell the anti-UFP riots while also taking care of the three utterly absurd missions-of-the-forthnight in the meantime, plus maintaining that spotless honor guard for the nonstop diplomatic tasks.

Our hero quartet is in luck in not being involved in that department currently... As said, there's another fraternity on that slightly upper deck, and the demand for new personnel there might be insatiable. Even if some of them actually come back.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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