I was talking about right at the beginning when you'd google "how old is Mary Wiseman?" and google replied "Do you mean Mary Wiseman + Feet?".
But now I'm hearing from yous that Tilly is 10 years younger than Mary?
I can't win.
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Who is Captain Rayner?
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I was talking about right at the beginning when you'd google "how old is Mary Wiseman?" and google replied "Do you mean Mary Wiseman + Feet?".
But now I'm hearing from yous that Tilly is 10 years younger than Mary?
I can't win.
That's not how it works. You don't start as a fourth year cadet. If she was drafted as a scientist she'd have a short stint in a OCS type program and then get a commission. Probably at lieutenant.
MA gives her birth year as 2233, based on her being fourteen in 2247.Which would make her twenty-two or twenty-three in her fourth year at the Academy/On Disco.
Is this the line I am thinking of? I distinctly remember a line where she says that Starfleet needed scientists for the war, so she signed up, or words to that effect.
Now I'm thinking Burnham was 47 in season one.
Fast tracked might have meant she was assigned to ship earlier that most cadets.
That might have been Stamets. MA "Stamets and Straal worked on the project together for nearly twelve years, but failed to achieve decisive results. When the war started, Stamets and Straal were co-opted by Starfleet to develop military applications for the technology."
Rayner feels like a microcosm of the effort in season 4 to integrate the Federation in this far future. He's part of the Burn era, and representing that period as we follow the crew. He's a good character and a clever way to keep this 32nd Federation ride going.
Mary Wiseman is 38?? How do these hollywood types manage to stay looking so young? In S1 I would've put her in her 20s. Same with Jess Bush she's in her 30s but could easily pass for 21.
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Edit: I forgot how long ago season 1 actually was - she was 30/31 at the time so that's about right.
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Edit: I forgot how long ago season 1 actually was - she was 30/31 at the time so that's about right.
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Especially with the world's supply of adrenochrome now exhausted! 
Professional makeup artists.
Really? I was watching a few days ago, and turned to a friend, remarking that she makes Wesley seem likeable, and much more disciplined. They agreed.
Tilly is quirky and is in a constant battle with herself over her mother-imposed self-esteem issues. She tries to make things work but it's a constant struggle with her trying to ice-skate uphill.
She is portrayed in a very realistic way. I can also relate to this in my own life experiences. A lot.
Wesley is a smug, insufferable know-it-all who was given far too many opportunities to frequently save a ship full of some of the smartest scientists in Starfleet (written into the show by Gene, as a young Gene, for nobody else other than Gene - this is documented fact). In reality, he should have been watching, listening, learning and keeping his mouth shut. He didn't become likeable to me until his final episodes on TNG in "The First Duty" and "Journey's End". Then he got all creepy with Kore in a scene that didn't make much sense in the S2 finale of Picard.
This is all in my opinion, of course. I find that Tilly is nowhere near as bad as Wesley ever was.
She is portrayed in a very realistic way. I can also relate to this in my own life experiences. A lot.
Wesley is a smug, insufferable know-it-all who was given far too many opportunities to frequently save a ship full of some of the smartest scientists in Starfleet (written into the show by Gene, as a young Gene, for nobody else other than Gene - this is documented fact). In reality, he should have been watching, listening, learning and keeping his mouth shut. He didn't become likeable to me until his final episodes on TNG in "The First Duty" and "Journey's End". Then he got all creepy with Kore in a scene that didn't make much sense in the S2 finale of Picard.
This is all in my opinion, of course. I find that Tilly is nowhere near as bad as Wesley ever was.
As a teen, slightly younger than Wheaton, I should have wanted to grow up to be Wesly, but imagine your momma putting you on her knee and saying to you "Boy when you grow up you're going to be a 50 year old virgin, and that is my fondest wish for your future."
I reject this horrible future! I will fight it!
Now I'm in my 40s and the TV presents to me a beautiful woman, who might be jail bait, but I'm going to ignore that, promising me a moment of minor nudity if I just hang in there long enough, so I'm "Sure dog, I don't even care that she snores, or that you can scour a dirty frying pan with her natural perm."
To me, she is the cringiest character to ever grace the screens of Trek. Its a chore getting through her scenes, and induces real life eye-rolls. She will be much better suited on the SFA show as a teacher. I'm sure i will get hate for this, but realistic or not, I wouldn't be choosing to hang out with someone like her in real life, either.
I thought she was completely out of line dealing with Raynor, her new superior officer. Unprofessional, disrespectful. Probably my least favorite Discovery character.
After Season 1, they dialed back Wesley a lot and by Season 2 he was a reasonably well written younger character. Actually, that started at the end of S1, during Coming of Age. Some decent moments in S2 as well. Not nearly as bad as the reputation, if you don't hold early S1 against him.
She's 900 years older than he is.
I think that Tilly is being very patient with this grumpy youngling.
That leads into another huge issue i have with things - the Disco crew is a thousand years out of date. Just 100 years out of date made Scotty uselses in Relics. I'm really supposed to believe that they have all been educated up to speed, and the ship is upgraded to modern tech, and they are all still the worlds foremost experts, to be chosen as ambasadors, leaders, etc? They should be so fish-out-of-water with culture, humor, linguistics, technology, politics, everything. The scope of time they have traveled is unimaginable. I understand that from the writer's angle they had to set it after the time wars but in-universe it is really unbelievable.
And, objectively / comparatively, she is very much not older then him, and does not have more life experience then him.
And, objectively / comparatively, she is very much not older then him, and does not have more life experience then him.
You’re right! Never thought about it like that. Sadly, that shortfall lies squarely with the writers. They painted themselves into an oddly-shaped corner with going so far forward in time, unless they have some god-like imagination, nothing is going to be completely believable as a distant future. It should be completely alien to them.
I think introducing “The Burn” managed to stagnate culture to a point that many of the civilizations involved actually regressed to a degree, making it work marginally better. If the SFA series explores more interpersonal relationships closer to the micro level, it may provide them with some opportunities to put Tilly and her other 23rd century cohorts who may visit her into believable fish-out-of-water-type scenarios.
I think introducing “The Burn” managed to stagnate culture to a point that many of the civilizations involved actually regressed to a degree, making it work marginally better. If the SFA series explores more interpersonal relationships closer to the micro level, it may provide them with some opportunities to put Tilly and her other 23rd century cohorts who may visit her into believable fish-out-of-water-type scenarios.
So again, this was explained, albeit rather quickly in the fact they retrofitted the ship with new technology but kept the interface and such similar to help with the learning curve. The spore drive is essentially the same and I'm assuming a small percentage of 32nd officers replaced the old crew to help out.
Also while the technology is advanced, the holographic controls are personalized, meaning they are intuitive.
Add to this the crew is pretty bright and well trained and much younger than Scotty.
As far as politics goes, well they're very lucky. Since the Federation and other worlds are fragmented, any connection made are from scratch...both the Federation and the Discovery are learning at the same starting point. They also got a crash course in relations in season 3.
Unreasonable cop out. I don't buy it. Handwaved.
Still doesn't mean they would understand the underlying technology or have any clue about the history that they built up in hundreds of years that matters politically and socially.
What does being younger than Scotty count for, other than they are even more out of date and using even older tech?
Still doesn't mean they would understand the underlying technology or have any clue about the history that they built up in hundreds of years that matters politically and socially.
What does being younger than Scotty count for, other than they are even more out of date and using even older tech?
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