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Poll Who are your favorite 3 main characters?

Who are your favorite 3 main characters?

  • Michael Burnham

    Votes: 39 43.8%
  • Saru

    Votes: 25 28.1%
  • Ash Tyler

    Votes: 16 18.0%
  • Paul Stamets

    Votes: 53 59.6%
  • Sylvia Tilly

    Votes: 46 51.7%
  • Gabriel Lorca

    Votes: 64 71.9%

  • Total voters
    89
Because in theory there could be a character with a mutineer past, the notorious first officer in Starfleet to rebel, and maybe someone who was responsible for igniting a war...and they could be a fascinating character. I'm not sure those things negate her being interesting. But I feel that the way they have pulled it off is just awkward, clumsy and makes it impossible to really invest in the character.

For example, there was just not enough justification for why she did what she did, it never made sense and it was never justified on a plot or character level enough to really be 'with' her in it.. Furthermore I don't think there is any need or interest in her being raised on Vulcan.

I think that's the issue right there. They created a strong backstory for the character, along with an intriguing background, but then they've done very little to build on it. What little we've seen of her relationship with Sarek seems like a variation on the theme of the Spock/Sarek relationship which was well-explored in TOS, the TOS movies and TNG. We have yet to see her deal much with her own feelings about how her convictions about how to resolve the initial conflict with the Klingons failed badly and, arguably, did help ignite the war.

I also think that the life sentence was a mistake. For me, I see the Federation/Starfleet penal system as more enlightened. The two times we saw it in TOS, extended prison sentences were explicitly stated to be the exception, not the norm. In my view, it would have made much more sense to have her receive a shorter sentence - say one to three years. That sentence could have then been commuted or suspended when Lorca requested her presence on Discovery. Although the reason why she was so necessary to his mission still eludes me. Burnham certainly seems like a highly competent officer, but Starfleet should be full of those. Even during wartime, Lorca shouldn't have needed to pull her out of prison in order to staff his special mission.

I wonder if we may see a time jump between season one and season two. If the writers can't figure out how to show Burnham coming to terms with her past and going through some redemption, perhaps they can just move past it. It could be dealt with from a distance as the theme seemed appropriate in future episodes, rather than seeming like a missing part of the story, which is how it seems to me at the moment.
 
... Although the reason why she was so necessary to his mission still eludes me. Burnham certainly seems like a highly competent officer, but Starfleet should be full of those. Even during wartime, Lorca shouldn't have needed to pull her out of prison in order to staff his special mission..

If Lorca is from the MU, then he quite possibly needs her because MU Burnham commands the ISS Sengiou
 
Yeah it is still beyond me why Burnham is considered such an exceptionally important officer by Lorca, unless perhaps Feron is correct, which is an interesting theory.

My problem with the whole 'redemption arc' thing with Burnham is that maybe they had this as the original idea to ground the show - that Burnham's redemption arc would really be the heart and soul of Discovery. But somewhere in the mix between the awkwardly-handled pilot episodes and the left turn that the show took after that (and perhaps in the mix of transitions going on behind the scenes in the writers' room as well), this just sort of fell flat. The writing doesn't make a good case for Burnham's actions or character in the pilot episodes and as time goes on, it seems the show writers themselves don't quite understand or find interest in why Burnham did what she did, or how that fits into the Klingon war story or any other. So they are disconnected from it and therefore the audience is too.

I must agree though that life sentence seems a little harsh for the Federation here, especially since I don't think it's true that she really 'started' the war, that is just something people say, right? Because her mutiny didn't really work out? Again with the confusing non-committal attitude towards writing that whole storyline.

I don't think it helps that Sonequa Martin-Green's performance is pretty much like her Walking Dead performance, i.e. she just sort of plays serious. And that gets very boring after a short while. There's not enough charisma there, or the writers or directors don't know how to bring it out.
 
Lorca, Stamets, and, I guess Tilly. She has the most potential out of those that are left. Martin-Green is a talented actress working with some pretty bland material.
 
I'm interested in this comment. What do you think the reasons for her not appealing to you are? I only ask because I have a similar reaction and I have noticed a lot of people having a similar reaction and I want to figure out why Burnham is just not a good character.

Because in theory there could be a character with a mutineer past, the notorious first officer in Starfleet to rebel, and maybe someone who was responsible for igniting a war...and they could be a fascinating character. I'm not sure those things negate her being interesting. But I feel that the way they have pulled it off is just awkward, clumsy and makes it impossible to really invest in the character.

For example, there was just not enough justification for why she did what she did, it never made sense and it was never justified on a plot or character level enough to really be 'with' her in it.. Furthermore I don't think there is any need or interest in her being raised on Vulcan. They don't seem to know what to do with that and all it is doing is making Sonequa Martin-Green have to act stiff and bland all the time.

It is so difficult for actors to play Vulcans, I get it - it's a special skill that very few beyond obviously Leonard Nimoy have been able to do with success. I don't think Burnham's Vulcan side is working, frankly, because it is being handled clumsily and Sonequa Martin-Green maybe doesn't know what to do with it as an actor.

I hope to come to like Burnham over time because I am very worried seeing how much everyone primarily just seems to enjoy Lorca in this thread (and elsewhere) - and what if they really do kill him off and we are stuck with a character few like as the protagonist...

I’m not really sure what it is — the writing or the acting or a combination of both. I also don’t buy that her actions merited a life sentence and I’d like to know more about what happened with her family and on Vulcan. But I’m not on the edge of my seat waiting to find out more like I should be. Lorca makes me want more scenes with him; so do Stamets and Culber and Tilly, not Burnham. But I don’t hate the actress or the character by any means.
 
I really like Burnham's personality, and I think Martin-Green is doing great job, but I have to agree that the whole mutiny plot was badly handled. I like her despite of that.
 
I really can see Emperor Burnham at the end of this season.

She's a paria in the other universe and well, she even gave order to her captain. She fits the role.
 
I really like Burnham's personality, and I think Martin-Green is doing great job, but I have to agree that the whole mutiny plot was badly handled. I like her despite of that.

That's why Emperor Burnham makes a lot of sense.
 
I'm interested in this comment. What do you think the reasons for her not appealing to you are? I only ask because I have a similar reaction and I have noticed a lot of people having a similar reaction and I want to figure out why Burnham is just not a good character.


I think I prefer the character of Burnham when she is acting in support of other characters rather than the main focus of an episode.
 
I went Lorca, Tilly, & Stamets. Nothing against the others. Especially Saru & Burnham.

L'Rell, Cornwell, & Colber are all very well done as well. Ditto Georgiou.
 
1.Lorca
2.Stahmets
3.Tilly

Georgiou was my favourite until she died. Brilliant short lived character.
 
Lorca, Statmets, Tyler.
They all have things going on with them and they have little moments that make their characters interesting. While Burnham has an interesting story to be told her character has less of the moxy of the others. Basically her arc is done, she is on discovery to be redeemed but Lorca, Statmets and Tyler, I have no idea where they are going and that's exciting.
 
I've noticed that Lorca is the highest-voted character on this poll. Which, and I'm not looking to start anything bad, I just want to know why, doesn't make sense to me. He seems like a combative, irrational space cowboy. We already had one of those, his name was Jonathan Archer, and look how well that worked out. Also, his fixation with weapons and war just puts me off his character even more. As someone who's favorite captains are Picard and Sisko, he just doesn't seem professional, or, I don't know, captain-ly. Personally, I think him and Georgiou should have switched places. If anyone who put Lorca on their list has time, could they tell me what appeals to them about him?
 
I've noticed that Lorca is the highest-voted character on this poll. Which, and I'm not looking to start anything bad, I just want to know why, doesn't make sense to me. He seems like a combative, irrational space cowboy. We already had one of those, his name was Jonathan Archer, and look how well that worked out. Also, his fixation with weapons and war just puts me off his character even more. As someone who's favorite captains are Picard and Sisko, he just doesn't seem professional, or, I don't know, captain-ly. Personally, I think him and Georgiou should have switched places. If anyone who put Lorca on their list has time, could they tell me what appeals to them about him?
I like Archer, but he wasn't very consistent. Sometimes he was a "space cowboy," and sometimes he was pretty much the opposite of that. Lorca is consistently a badass. He has one goal (winning the war, assuming he's mostly sincere about it) and he won't stop at anything to achieve it. He's probably not someone I'd personally want to meet or work for, but a guy like Lorca makes pretty good television in my opinion. Of course, a lot of people think he's actually Mirror Lorca, and there's some evidence that points to that. I hope it isn't true though. I see Lorca as essentially a good guy with a lot of rough edges, or at worst a guy who sometimes does bad things that he believes are necessary for the greater good, and he doesn't have time to be nice about it.
 
Of the options in the poll:

Burnham
Stamets
Saru

Though Georgiou was my absolute favourite... I instantly liked her. I had to expand my exclusive group of favourite starship captains first time in (about) thirty years.

Yes a great shame she had to be killed off
 
1. Lorca
2. Stamets
3. Tilly

Ash Tyler would come in a close fourth if we could pick that many.
 
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