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Which hero ship would you want to see in the Picard show?

Which ship should Picard command?

  • Enterprise-E (old, no refit)

    Votes: 7 11.7%
  • Enterprise-E refit

    Votes: 6 10.0%
  • Enterprise-F

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • Enterprise-G

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Enterprise-H

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Enterprise-I

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Enterprise-J

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Different ship, not the Enterprise

    Votes: 23 38.3%
  • No ship

    Votes: 22 36.7%

  • Total voters
    60
They're not unrecognizable at all.
They are considering they look different in what is supposedly the same continuity.
Eh? S31 in Into Darkness wasn't an legitimate organization.
It was "a top secret branch of Starfleet", under the control of the head of Starfleet, complete with underground arms caches and shipbuilding facilities. Compare to DS9, where it was a rogue organisation with no headquarters and no oversight.

Discovery's Section 31 is common knowledge among offers and last episode they answered to Admiral Cornwell.
 
Two people who've never heard of a secret organization is hardly proof that said organization is completely secret to everyone.

It's a pretty good sign though, since one of those two people is Spock (and Kirk isn't an idiot, he would know the name of Starfleet intelligence agencies). Section 31, in DS9 and the Kelvinverse, is presented as a secret police that keep their existence secret. The head of Section 31, also the head of Starfleet, reveals their existence to Kirk and Spock as part of his plotting, but also says it was a "top-secret branch", meaning, I gather, that only a select few are even aware of its existence.

Unlike Discovery, the Kelvinverse does a good job at keeping the mystery around 31 and maintaining it as a rogue agency. Especially if we remember that Marcus is lying most of the time.
 
I'd bet that if you showed the DSC Klingons (and their ships) to a Star Trek fan who'd never seen or even heard of DSC, they would most likely think that they were some other race of aliens.



They had a huge building right there on Earth where Mickey went to work every day. That's not exactly a super-secret organization keeping out of the public eye.

Klingons: come on, be fair. In TOS, they were dudes with brown facepaint. You could argue the same every time there's a change in optics.

Section 31: no, Mickey worked at the library. That was officially very much not at all Section 31.
 
Klingons: come on, be fair. In TOS, they were dudes with brown facepaint. You could argue the same every time there's a change in optics.

The DSC Klingons get a pass from me, because there was a specific story reason why they needed to be changed so radically. But if there wasn't, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have looked exactly like humans (oily facepainted skin not withstanding). With enough Klingon-like garb, sashes and weapons, they would have looked fine.

Section 31: no, Mickey worked at the library. That was officially very much not at all Section 31.

How did he get into the Section 31 facility without being spotted?
 
The DSC Klingons get a pass from me, because there was a specific story reason why they needed to be changed so radically. But if there wasn't, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have looked exactly like humans (oily facepainted skin not withstanding). With enough Klingon-like garb, sashes and weapons, they would have looked fine.



How did he get into the Section 31 facility without being spotted?

He worked there, but publicly, it wasn't Section 31. Section 31 was inside the archive or library or whatever.

As for the Klingons, I guess I just don't care if their look changes or not, as long as the stories still work.
 
How did he get into the Section 31 facility without being spotted?

As far as the general public knows, he walked into a building labeled "Kelvin Memorial Archive", passed through security, and got in a turbolift. He went down when they presumably thought he went up.

That being said, it's odd to hide a giant super-secret underground lab in the middle of London. It would be more appropriate to stick in in the Nevada desert, say...
 
As far as the general public knows, he walked into a building labeled "Kelvin Memorial Archive", passed through security, and got in a turbolift. He went down when they presumably thought he went up.

That being said, it's odd to hide a giant super-secret underground lab in the middle of London. It would be more appropriate to stick in in the Nevada desert, say...

That's the last place you'd expect to look. That said, it might've been some MI-6 underground bunker, back in the day, carved out and expanded.
 
Either the NX-01 or a New Hero ship that follows through after Picard in its own series. Would be pretty stunning if have the imagination for it.
 
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