Where do Newbies Start?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Tallguy, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. Tallguy

    Tallguy Commodore Commodore

    May 2, 2005
    Beyond the Farthest Star
    I'm sure there has been a variation of this discussion before.

    I have a co-worker who want to watch "Star Trek". She's in her thirties, didn't grow up in the United States, but enjoys lots of Western television. (She's a big Person of Interest fan.)

    She doesn't know what Star Trek is. I mean, just telling her that there was more than one show with different characters in each kind of threw her. The names "Kirk" and "Spock" or "Picard" and "Data" don't mean anything to her.

    I'm a TOS guy through and through. But I don't think throwing her a fifty year old show and just telling her how amazing it is would be a good idea.

    The guidance I'm considering is:
    a) Watch Encounter at Farpoint. Then jump to season 3.
    b) Watch The Wrath of Khan.
    c) Watch the Kelvin movies.

    Help me out here, fans! Thanks!
  2. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Jul 31, 2001
    Dahar Master final exams
    If she is accustomed to older movies and TV shows, then I would say go ahead with TOS. Alas, many people only watch the newest popular stuff instead of seeking out the classics. So even the TOS movies and TNG may seem too archaic in this day and age.

    The Kelvin movies may be the way to go. I knew somebody who had never seen any Star Trek in her entire life, and then happened to catch "Into Darkness" and absolutely loved it.

  3. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

    Mar 8, 2001
    Great Britain
    Perhaps it might be an idea to show her selected episodes which are considered to be the best that each show represents
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  4. Mojochi

    Mojochi Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 18, 2007
    Depends on your time table. If you got some time, maybe plan out a 3 or 4 night showcase. Start with The Wrath of Khan & The Search For Spock, which make for a good initial movie night.. If that works, for the 2nd night, show Undiscovered Country, & Generations, which kind of reigns in the whole TOS/TNG crossover dynamic. All 4 are fairly universally entertaining movies for non-fans

    Maybe the 3rd night, have a 2 or 3 generic TNG episode showing. My choice might be Disaster, Darmok & maybe Yesterday's Enterprise. Then if you're a little tentative about how dated TOS looks, you can gauge whether or not to have a showing of it. For a good follow up to this showcase, I'd choose Space Seed, Balance of Terror, & maybe Journey To Babel. Otherwise, you could maybe finish out the TOS movies, with The Voyage Home & Final Frontier

    Only after that would I'd introduce anything from the spinoff series or later TNG movies etc... However, some folks might be more inclined to sit back for the above showcase, if you warm them up to it 1st, with something modern like the JJTrek series. It depends on your friend, as to whether you'll need to do that or not
  5. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 1, 2014
    Suomi Finland
    I think the best way to introduce Star Trek to people who have no experience with the franchise would be to start with season 3 of TNG.
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  6. Vger23

    Vger23 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 19, 2014
    New England
    I have repeatedly and successfully indoctrinated new fans with TWOK.

    I think nowadays, you could also start with the Kelvin films or TNG. My wife loved DS9 (like...LOVED), but didn't really start until sometime in S3.

    I'd say if you want to get them into TOS, then Kelvin and TWOK is a good starting point. Whet the appetite for more of these characters and more of that universe, and the impact of the "old 60's series" will be somewhat smoothed over.

    If you want to get them into TNG, I'd say create a small "best of" list. Start with Encounter at Farpoint, since that sets the series up, and then compile a small list of engaging favorites. Since TNG isn't serialized, you can do this to generate interest and not worry about continuity too much.

    Once you've gotten them into TNG, the rest of the spin-offs can flow from there.
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  7. ItIsGreen

    ItIsGreen Captain Captain

    Oct 29, 2015
    Coventry, UK
    When I was a teenager, I had a friend who absolutely hated Star Trek, and by 'hated', I mean 'had never watched'. He'd just decided he wouldn't like it and didn't even try to see if that was true or not. One night I persuaded him to watch First Contact (the movie, not the episode), and he absolutely loved it. After that he was open to watching more Trek, some he enjoyed some he didn't, but he appreciated it a whole lot more.
  8. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 28, 2009
    The glorious Shetland Isles!
    Start with TNG Season 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 then 6 then 7, then move on to DS9 and repeat.
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  9. Shawnster

    Shawnster Commodore Commodore

    Jul 28, 2008
    Clinton, OH
    If you start with TWOK, I think it's best to start with "Space Seed" first. I really think if you want a bare-bones exposure to TOS, then Space Seed, then STII - IV, VI.

    If you want to, maybe pick the top ten TOS episodes. Not the whole series, but the cream of the crop. Gives one a feel for TOS without devoting 79 hours.
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  10. Smellmet

    Smellmet Commodore Commodore

    Aug 5, 2013
    The Northern Shires of England.
    I think that's the way to go, definitely.
  11. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Commodore Commodore

    May 7, 2011
    1st Joined Aug 10, 1999
    I was converted with TVH. It helped that we had these people from The Future interacting with Present Day. Granted, the movie only came out a few years earlier when I first saw it, unlike now. So it wouldn't be Present Day anymore, but, if she likes '80s stuff, start with the TOS movies.
  12. Trevellian

    Trevellian Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Dec 5, 2017
    One thing to be careful of with TWOK - my wife loves Star Trek, but she can’t stand the Ceti eels/‘ear worms’ in TWOK as the thought of something crawling into her ear totally freaks her out. If Wrath had been her first Star Trek experience, it may have put her off Star Trek completely.
  13. Balok's Decoy

    Balok's Decoy Commodore Commodore

    Aug 13, 2016
    Balok's Decoy in Baltimore, MD
    I started on TMP and I've been hooked ever since. No joke. :techman:
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  14. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    I would start with Q Who and jump to season 3, not worry about Farpoint until they're hooked.
  15. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 1, 2014
    Suomi Finland
    This sounds like a good plan, except I would add 'The Measure of a Man'.
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  16. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Commodore Commodore

    May 27, 2009
    Daniels' Illinois
    Shades of Gray is the best place to start. That should cover most of the first two seasons right there.
  17. Boomstick

    Boomstick Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 7, 2017
    Just recommend a handful of episodes from TOS and TNG.
    I'd stay clear of Encounter at Farpoint though, it's really not a great episode. I know a few people who enjoyed ST09 and wanted to explore the series further, watched Encounter at Farpoint and it completely put them off continuing with TNG and by extension the rest of the franchise
  18. 1001001

    1001001 Boorish Jackass Moderator

    Nov 3, 2001
    Russia Occupied America
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  19. FormerLurker

    FormerLurker Commodore Commodore

    May 17, 2009
    Twenty-eight years ago I took a co-worker to see ST:V (in theaters, I hadn't seen it yet) as his first exposure to Star Trek. I sat through the film biting my lip to keep from speaking ill of it as we watched. When we walked out, he said it was the best science fiction film he had ever seen. I was very diplomatic and said he would probably enjoy the others even more. He became a fan, and later understood my diplomacy.
  20. Forbin

    Forbin Admiral Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    I said out, dammit!
    I can't imagine starting anyone on anything but the original. Select a "best of" selection of episodes. Point out that the show was partially designed to touch on social issues of the 1960s.
    I can't imagine starting anyone on the JJ films at all.
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