I didn't read yours, that's why.
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I didn't read yours, that's why.
Ditto. And I've been doing so since 1966 . . .
Let's not starting playing "More Trekkie than thou" games here and asserting that any of us care more about Star Trek than any other poster.
Oh, I'm not. It's obvious YWF loves it, and I respect that. It's the fundamentalist, almost fascistic purity and complete rejection of nuTrek on every level that I can't grasp. We've all explained in excruciating, blow-by-blow detail why nuTrek doesn't violate, change or slander the classic universe, but it's not sinking in.
Oh well. We can't say we didn't try...right?
Just to be clear, that wasn't directed at you. I was agreeing with you. I was also trying to stomp out the idea that some of us "care" about Star Trek more than others.
That's not a fruitful avenue to pursue. Let's take it for granted that we're all Trek fans and have many fond memories of the previous versions.
Heck, I remember driving 200 miles just to see TMP on opening night!
Amen, brother.
I'm not in this forum all the time and haven't had the chance to say this yet, so if you don't mind a moment of self-indulgence allow me to say how much I enjoy your TREK books. I think the Eugenics Wars novels are some of the most entertaining TREK novels of the last twenty years. I love those things. Cheers on a job masterfully well done.
I'm not in this forum all the time and haven't had the chance to say this yet, so if you don't mind a moment of self-indulgence allow me to say how much I enjoy your TREK books. I think the Eugenics Wars novels are some of the most entertaining TREK novels of the last twenty years. I love those things. Cheers on a job masterfully done.
Thanks! I'm proud of those books--and I would like to think that they demonstrate that I know and love the Prime Universe as much as anybody. Ditto for my latest Trek book, which is set squarely during the original five-year mission.
(And, just so I don't sound like a total TOS partisan, let it be noted that I have written for TNG, DS9, and Voyager as well!)
I'm not in this forum all the time and haven't had the chance to say this yet, so if you don't mind a moment of self-indulgence allow me to say how much I enjoy your TREK books. I think the Eugenics Wars novels are some of the most entertaining TREK novels of the last twenty years. I love those things. Cheers on a job masterfully done.
Thanks! I'm proud of those books--and I would like to think that they demonstrate that I know and love the Prime Universe as much as anybody. Ditto for my latest Trek book, which is set squarely during the original five-year mission.
(And, just so I don't sound like a total TOS partisan, let it be noted that I have written for TNG, DS9, and Voyager as well!)
For the record? I know CBS/Paramount doesn't consider the Eugenics Wars novels canon.
But I do.
Let's just keep that our little secret. (*Blushes like a little girl*)
I fail to see why Star Trek is so special that any attempt to reuse iconic characters and update the look and feel of ST while still being true to what makes Star Trek Star Trek in order to bring in new fans and reenergize the old ones can be anything but good. Why is it cynical to make Star Trek viable again? Sorry I just don't buy that being cynical. Perhaps keeping it the same old same old is the cynical position. My way or the highway seems pretty darn cynical to me.
Could not agree more. TREK was in a sick and deteriorating state after the dismal failure of NEMESIS at the box office and the premature cancellation of ENTERPRISE due to nosediving ratings. The franchise as constituted in 2005 and 2006 was no longer commercially viable. The change of suits at Viacom and Paramount saw the TREK we were all familiar with as damaged goods, and with the exception of greenlighting TOS-Remastered the studio refused and mercilessly shot down every other idea to resurrect the franchise with the familiar universe and characters. Something new, fresh and original had to be done to ensure that the franchise was profitable and successful once it was resurrected. That new, fresh and original was TREK 2009.
It worked. You'd think some fans could just be happy that their beloved universe and franchise isn't being eaten by worms and pushing up daisies. I guess not.
Let's dial it down a little. This sort of hyperbole isn't helping the debate.
If it makes you feel any better, I completely agreed with your reasoning.
I made the same argument about 10 pages earlier.
Hey, thanks.
As I said, don't sweat it. It happens.
I really think there should be an AU general Trek discussion forum and an OU forum.
Maybe with a different first letter even. Saying the old timeline was old, tired and too crowded and confining is ridiculous like Jeri Taylor saying the alpha quadrant was getting too small and familiar. It's only inviable to uncreative, lazy, cynical, people and the executives with power who hire them. Some people care for the art and GR's vision more than commerce.
Maybe with a different first letter even. Saying the old timeline was old, tired and too crowded and confining is ridiculous like Jeri Taylor saying the alpha quadrant was getting too small and familiar. It's only inviable to uncreative, lazy, cynical, people and the executives with power who hire them. Some people care for the art and GR's vision more than commerce.
I agree. All the OU only people should secede and create their own civilization where they can spend their days free of cynicism and commerce. It will be like Gene always wanted! You can even have open relationships if you wish, to truly get with the Gene program.
But...they are representing the old characters. (*Sigh*) And the choice of actors for the roles was quite commendable in the eyes of most Trekkers three years after the fact. They all did an acceptable or downright terrific job putting their own unique and interesting spins on the classic TOS officers, especially Karl Urban, who at times seemed like he was channeling the very spirit of the late, great DeForest Kelley. It's not "delusion." It's a new timeline set much too early for the surviving members of the classic cast to reprise their roles. Like it or not, Chris Pine is now canon as James Tiberius Kirk in the altered reality post-2233. He doesn't dishonor the memory of William Shatner and he doesn't disrespect the character of Jim Kirk with his new interpretation of him. History changed. Any nitpicky differences are easily chalked up to that change.
And lets not forget that NuSpock is much hotter than Prime Spock. NuSpock raises the hotness bar for Vulcans into the red matter zone.
What does his sexual orientation have to do with anything? 
Yes.
Yes, I would. In a Vulcan heartbeat. TREK's been off the small screen for too long already. The day we get a brand new series---even if it set in the nuTrek reality---I will rejoice and pop open a bottle of the bubbly.
And after all, it would be the same universe. Different timeline. We're not talking about a completely different dimension or a parallel universe a'la Lazarus, "Mirror, Mirror" or "Parallels", after all. We're not contemplating Spock with a goatee and Starfleet being the brutal military enforcer of a Terran dictatorship. Just a changed timeline of the same Prime universe we all grew up with.
There are differences. As you are clearly a devoted Trekker and fan of the classic characters I so, so wish you could see this. I can tell you love TREK, and I wish you could bend a little and open your mind about all of this. nuTrek isn't an abomination. Give it another chance.
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