Where are we right now??

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I think you mean that it has evolved into a pithy and educational discourse.

 

[cooleddie74]

Meh. It's not the hopeless train wreck it might appear to be at first glance. Some very, very cogent and reasonable arguments have been made by an awful lot of people even if they weren't listened to. teacake's right...if anything it's evolved from a simple question to a weighty and multifaceted debate. Thanks for starting the thread...it's been educational.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You should emerge from the BBS Basement more often cooleddie. It's a lot more fun arguing canon and fandom than playing in the demagoguery sandpit of US politics. Or if not more fun, at least more funny.

 

[cooleddie74]

I used to be an everyday regular in the TREK forums. You name it, I was in it(well, not so much VOYAGER). All my early stomping grounds were in the movie and series threads and I miss those days. TNZ is twisted and anarchic fun chock-full of idiots and Fail, but there are some days I'd just prefer to pop into the Movies or General Discussion threads and debate canon and chronology. I've just fallen out of the habit over time. I should get back to some of the old habits.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

btw getting back to the topic one thing that boggles me is that Nimoy's imprimatur apparently means nothing to detractors.

 

[Relayer1]

You know people can bitch all they like about this but it is NOTHING compared to the bitching we would have gotten if it had been set in the TOS timeline with no deviations. Every canon fibre out of place would have been 1000 threads of bitching.

This may just be the truest thing ever posted here !

I still have the occasional conversations with fans who are still royally pissed off that Vulcan was destroyed in the new timeline. I explain to them that the planet and the Vulcan civilization still exist and are thriving in the Prime timeline, so don't be too upset. But a couple of them think that means that Vulcan is now gone in both timelines.

Have you told 'em Vulcan Prime may be OK but Romulus Prime HAS gone ?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Rafting?! I don't want your fancy lens flare rafting. Give me DUNE BUGGIES.

 

[F. King Daniel]

[URL="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0704270/"]Spock

: You're assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. The contrary, Nero's very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the U.S.S. Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
Lt. Nyota Uhura: An alternate reality.
Spock: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed.

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You know people can bitch all they like about this but it is NOTHING compared to the bitching we would have gotten if it had been set in the TOS timeline with no deviations. Every canon fibre out of place would have been 1000 threads of bitching.

Bah! No settling for mere quotes in the 21st century!
[Yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMK0qLVt0UU[/yt]

 

[Kemaiku]

You've got more stamina than I do.

I think we're rapidly approaching the point at which we're all just repeating the same arguments over and over again.

To be honest, I keep vowing that I'm not going to get sucked into one of these time sinks again, then somebody asserts for the umpteenth time that all "real" Trek fans are offended by the reboot and I'm like, "Speak for yourself, buster! You don't speak for me."

And off we go again!

Yeah, the last time this argument erupted, I wandered off early, bought the film on iTunes and watched it instead.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This isn't as crazy as the time in the XI+ forum, where someone was ranting about how terrible and wrong the movie was.... and she'd never even seen it. And refused to. Apparently the comments she's read online from other haters were enough to fuel her arguments

 

[cooleddie74]

I still have the occasional conversations with fans who are still royally pissed off that Vulcan was destroyed in the new timeline. I explain to them that the planet and the Vulcan civilization still exist and are thriving in the Prime timeline, so don't be too upset. But a couple of them think that means that Vulcan is now gone in both timelines.

Have you told 'em Vulcan Prime may be OK but Romulus Prime HAS gone ?

Their heads would explode.

I don't feel like cleaning up that kind of mess, thank you very much.

 

[Kemaiku]

This isn't as crazy as the time in the XI+ forum, where someone was ranting about how terrible and wrong the movie was.... and she'd never even seen it. And refused to. Apparently the comments she's read online from other haters were enough to fuel her arguments

You just described 90% of the NuTrek haters.

 

[xortex]

I'm gonna go back and not see it again and again and again.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

This isn't as crazy as the time in the XI+ forum, where someone was ranting about how terrible and wrong the movie was.... and she'd never even seen it. And refused to. Apparently the comments she's read online from other haters were enough to fuel her arguments

You just described 90% of the NuTrek haters.

Hardly, I for one saw it 4 times in theaters and got the DVD. Enjoyable in a vacuum...but then when you realize "this is Trek now", the face goes red.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes well my face has been red more than a few times over NuSpock.

:: fans self ::

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, it's TREK now...warts and all. But when I remember that my beloved Prime timeline still exists in its own reality I don't mind the J.J. Abrams vision. I view it as "Trek Infinites" in the vein of the STAR WARS graphic novels that put major, unexpected spins on the beloved stories of the George Lucas saga and change many of the details and outcomes to provide intriguing and often very entertaining "What If" scenarios. What if the Death Star hadn't been destroyed? What if the Empire hadn't fallen? What if Luke and/or Leia had fallen to the Dark Side? Those kind of things.

 

[xortex]

Sterilized, imploded and hijacked.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I'd rather have another TV series with the quality of Voyager season 3 than some film parading as Trek coming out every 4 years.

 

[xortex]

That's why J.J. did this - so he can own all Trek's future incarnations and series. You can't put it back the way it was now.

 

[Count Zero]

Sterilized, imploded and hijacked.

Would it kill you to quote the relevant part of the post this is in reference to? It's getting quite annoying to have to puzzle out what many of your posts are in reference to and therefore what they mean. Many come off as non-sequiturs or spammy because you don't do that. In a discussion it's the polite thing to do to try to express oneself in a way that makes it easy for others to follow the conversation.