Where are we right now??

[You_Will_Fail]

Everything you're trying to compare Star Trek to fails as a comparison. The Star Trek franchise is nothing like Hawaii 5-0 or Batman.
I ask, how on earth is it Star Trek if it doesn't use the established universe and doesn't have kind of continuity to what has been established as Star Trek. You can only retool or revamp something so much before it becomes something new. Look at James Bond, a bad comparison btw, at least that's grounded in the books and they're trying to get back to the nitty-grittyness of the books with these newer films. Whereas Trek is....going what direction exactly? All they seem to be trying to attempt is to make glossy popcorn fluff for the masses. How is this a continuation of Trek? It just baffles me, and I'm not totally convinced that everyone who says they have no problem with nu-Trek is being totally honest with themselves.

So if there was a new tv series that took place in the Mirror Universe would you be just as rejecting?

Well yeah of course I would. A whole series of the Mirror Universe would be a total bust, watching our characters be villains is hardly what Trek is about.

It just seems like SUCH a waste to reject 24 seasons worth of lore and world-building. World-building is what makes a great show, starting over from scratch just wouldn't be as satisfying, rather just distracting.

 

[Greg Cox]

It just baffles me, and I'm not totally convinced that everyone who says they have no problem with nu-Trek is being totally honest with themselves.

Well, I can only ask you to do us the courtesy of taking us at our word and not presume that you know our actual opinions better than we do . . .

And perhaps entertain the notion that Star Trek doesn't play by different rules than any other iconic pop culture creation. If you can reboot Galactica or Planet of the Apes, you can reboot Star Trek.

 

[Captain_Nick]

Given that there is only one movie in the pipeline, this discussion seems rather pointless.

You've answered my question anyway, thanks, I appreciate that

 

[You_Will_Fail]

And perhaps entertain the notion that Star Trek doesn't play by different rules than any other iconic pop culture creation. If you can reboot Galactica or Planet of the Apes, you can reboot Star Trek.

Once again, really inappropriate comparisons.

 

[Andymator]

And who said you weren't entitled to your opinion?

Well for example Andymator said "You don't have to like it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that makes any difference."
People saying stuff like that on here I find to be grating in the extreme.

Anyway, Star Trek basically is the world that's been established. What else is there besides that? The basic concept of "adventures in space"? Well then "Farscape" may as well be called a Star Trek spinoff if a new TV series were to ever completely reboot everything.
Saying "Well if its produced by Paramount/CBS whatever and they own Star Trek, then its Star Trek" doesn't really mean much to me. If someone bought those studios and made an 18th century courtroom drama starring Lindsay Lohan and called it "Star Trek", that doesn't mean its actually Star Trek to me or I'd imagine, most people.

You conveniently left out the essential qualifier in that quote... you know, the whole "Based on Gene Roddenberry's 1960's TV show" part.

Listen, you may not have been so heavily invested in times past, but the 2009 film is not the first time Star Trek has been re-imagined. It happened in 1979, in 1987, and in 2001. Some would even argue more frequently. Each time a new and fresh take on the franchise, each time with tenuous continuity links and nods to previous incarnations ("Star Trek" 2009 included).

The different versions of Star Trek each have something to offer, and you may not like them all, but that's okay! You don't have to, god knows I don't! But come on, you can't expect anybody to actually care? I know it's grating, but it's the truth; nobody gives a poop.

Take it from somebody who missed out on all the fun of the 2001 reboot because of this kind of nonsense; it's not worth it. Just enjoy what you enjoy and forget what you don't.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It just baffles me, and I'm not totally convinced that everyone who says they have no problem with nu-Trek is being totally honest with themselves.

You know I always told myself I loved NuTrek because, well, I wanted us to work out. We got together when I was needy, I hadn't had any Trek for a long time and I'll admit when NuTrek came along with all that bling in every scene I fell for it. I fell for it hard. It was just so great to feel like a fan again, you know? To feel cared about as though my desire to love actually mattered. To hear my beloved's name on everyone's lips made me feel young, relevant, not like some old groupie hanging onto the past. And you know that was great, it was teacake getting her groove back and I wanted it to last forever. I wanted it bad enough to spend these last 2 and a bit years fooling myself into thinking what I had was real, meaningful.. that I was boldly going into something that mattered.

And now that I know the truth, that the bling was cheap flare and the love the sad pining of a fan trying to hang onto her youth I'm going to have to say goodbye. It's okay, I'll be alright. I'll pop Amok Time into the vcr and let the fight music sooth me.

I might be too old for new love but I'll always have Vulcan which is more than I can say for NuTrek.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Listen, you may not have been so heavily invested in times past, but the 2009 film is not the first time Star Trek has been re-imagined. It happened in 1979, in 1987, and in 2001. Some would even argue more frequently. Each time a new and fresh take on the franchise, each time with tenuous continuity links and nods to previous incarnations ("Star Trek" 2009 included).

Except TNG was simply a continuation of TOS drawing on the world it had created and using writers that had both worked on the show and later writers that had been fans of the show. There was even overlap in the characters, the ships that had been seen in the films were later in the movies. It was evidently the same thing.
And 2001 was hardly a reboot, it was a prequel also set in the same universe made quite obvious by season 4.
So no, neither TNG nor ENT are comparable to nu-Trek and the comparison is frankly pretty lazy.

But come on, you can't expect anybody to actually care? I know it's grating, but it's the truth; nobody gives a poop.

What isn't it you get about the concept of a forum?

 

[Andymator]

Listen, you may not have been so heavily invested in times past, but the 2009 film is not the first time Star Trek has been re-imagined. It happened in 1979, in 1987, and in 2001. Some would even argue more frequently. Each time a new and fresh take on the franchise, each time with tenuous continuity links and nods to previous incarnations ("Star Trek" 2009 included).

Except TNG was simply a continuation of TOS drawing on the world it had created and using writers that had both worked on the show and later writers that had been fans of the show. There was even overlap in the characters, the ships that had been seen in the films were later in the movies. It was evidently the same thing.
And 2001 was hardly a reboot, it was a prequel also set in the same universe made quite obvious by season 4.
So no, neither TNG nor ENT are comparable to nu-Trek and the comparison is frankly pretty lazy.

Oh come on, they were absolutely re-imaginings. Try to remember; Star Trek is not some future history documentary, it's just entertainment. It's ALL Make believe. There is no 'real' universe or timeline. TNG was no more of a direct continuation of TOS than the 2009 film is. If you can't see that, then there is nothing I can say that is going to change your mind.

But come on, you can't expect anybody to actually care? I know it's grating, but it's the truth; nobody gives a poop.

What isn't it you get about the concept of a forum?

I don't understand the question... Is there something I'm missing? Perhaps the response you expected to your sweeping generalizations is more along these lines:

Man, you know, I thought I loved that 2009 movie... but now that you tell me how you feel it wasn't really Star Trek I have found I can no longer get any enjoyment out of it without abandoning my enjoyment of other versions of Star Trek. Thankfully my ignorance didn't continue, who knows what would have happened if I had continued enjoying something called Star Trek that had nothing to do with Star Trek!

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Its a forum, people here express their opinions, that's the whole point. They don't need people like you harumphing around and telling them their opinion doesn't matter or that "no one cares". Its just incredibly immature, unconstructive and rude.

And I don't see TNG as a reimagining on the scale of nu-Trek at all. Clearly you use extremely broad strokes when you look at things. It drew on lore established by a previous television series and series of movies and firmly set itself within that fictional universe. Nu-Trek actually makes a point of separating itself from that established universe and completely going its own way. Why are you unable to see such an obvious distinction...oh yeah, the broad strokes approach.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Its a forum, people here express their opinions, that's the whole point. They don't need people like you harumphing around and telling them their opinion doesn't matter or that "no one cares". Its just incredibly immature, unconstructive and rude.

Dude you just told us that our opinion was based on not being honest with ourselves.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

No I didn't, I said "I'm not totally convinced that everyone who says they have no problem with nu-Trek is being totally honest with themselves." I didn't specify anyone.

 

[Andymator]

Its a forum, people here express their opinions, that's the whole point. They don't need people like you harumphing around and telling them their opinion doesn't matter or that "no one cares". Its just incredibly immature, unconstructive and rude.

Again, I think you're mis-understanding me. I'm not trying to insult you by telling you that no one cares that you think the new version of Star Trek isn't really Star Trek, I'm just telling you the truth. It's no big deal. My own and others enjoyment of all incarnations of Star Trek is not dampened one bit by your opinion, and if that is "immature, unconstructive and rude", then the definition of those words has drastically changed since I last read the dictionary.

And I don't see TNG as a reimagining on the scale of nu-Trek at all. Clearly you use extremely broad strokes when you look at things. It drew on lore established by a previous television series and series of movies and firmly set itself within that fictional universe. Nu-Trek actually makes a point of separating itself from that established universe and completely going its own way. Why are you unable to see such an obvious distinction...oh yeah, the broad strokes approach.

And that's where we differ. Where you see only the differences, I see also tons of established lore and continuity nods toward the Treks of days past within the 2009 film.

I'm not trying to change your opinion, I'm just defending my own.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

No I didn't, I said "I'm not totally convinced that everyone who says they have no problem with nu-Trek is being totally honest with themselves." I didn't specify anyone.

You're really pushing it here.

 

[Miss Lemon]

What I don't understand is the spinelessness of people who don't want to defend a beloved franchise because they're too busy trying to look accepting, up to date and open to change as that's what they've been conditioned to see as good traits.

Awww, being on the wrong side of the world caused me to miss out on all the fun again.

And now that I know the truth, that the bling was cheap flare and the love the sad pining of a fan trying to hang onto her youth I'm going to have to say goodbye.

Can I have your NuSpock posters?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And now that I know the truth, that the bling was cheap flare and the love the sad pining of a fan trying to hang onto her youth I'm going to have to say goodbye.

Can I have your NuSpock posters?

I'm uh... storing them. Under my mattress.

 

[Miss Lemon]

I'm uh... storing them. Under my mattress.

You spineless woman.

Nevermind, NuKirk is much more yummy anyway. But that's just my humble opinion.

 

[MacLeod]

Star Trek like any long running franchise has to change and adapt to differing tastes. It can't remain trapped in the past.

TOS told stories in a certain style, as did TNG and DSN. VOY told them more in a style closer to TNG.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm uh... storing them. Under my mattress.

You spineless woman.

Nevermind, NuKirk is much more yummy anyway. But that's just my humble opinion.

I like this thread! It's exciting!

 

[Miss Lemon]

I like this thread! It's exciting!

The only thing missing is some of that awesome lens flare.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I like this thread! It's exciting!

The only thing missing is some of that awesome lens flare.

Let's punch it.