When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?
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Here's the full quote, from a review of "Tuvix": Janeway’s decision might have been dramatically mistimed at the very end, but it is right in character for her — she is the most ruthless of the ST captains. She has compassion and comes from a science background, but when a drastic decision is necessary she does not hesitate. It would have been just as awful to decide to let Tuvok and Neelix die when they could have been brought back.
There really was no good solution to that situation - unless of course the script writers would have made it possible to bring Tuvok and Neelix back and keep Tuvix, which they didn't, or made Tuvix willing to give up his life to bring them back, which he wasn't.
So Janeway had to take a damnable decision either way.
So Janeway had to take a damnable decision either way.
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Tuvix could have just deleted the Doctor.
Not exactly the most morally defensible action either. Robbing Voyager of its only qualified physician probably would result in several additional crew member deaths over time (assuming they can't get him back or get a suitable replacement).
they should have investigated using two anular confinement beams.
I see Tuvix how Tuvok surely would have seen it.
“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few… or the one”.
“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few… or the one”.
In which episodes do you think Janeway was ruthless?
She didn't reinitialise the EMH after he put Voyager in danger multiple times.
Picard was pretty ruthless with the aliens supplying drugs to their neighbours in Symbiosis.
Yes. And she made it, right or wrong. If she had spared Tuvix, it would be a controversial decision too.
It wouldn't have mattered. The Doctor refused to participate anyway.
But Tuvix could have done this (scenario 2): https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tuvixs-revenge-a-story-in-two-endings.310202/
Tuvix and Equinox to name a couple. And there was some Captain Bligh about her in "Year of Hell", too.
Not at the last minute.
The night before destroy everything, research, serums, the doctor and the medical database, or a weak before the telling moment delete the Doctor.
No one except the Doctor can make the serum, and if it's all destroyed, no one but the doctor can make more.
Tuvix had a month to take precautions against being murdered by the Doctor.
It's likely Tuvix wouldn't have gone insane and needed a sanitarium in the Admiral Janeway line.
Actually that's a cure that the Doctor may have suggested.
I repeat, erasing the Doctor would be unnecessary. Just destroy the serum, and then tell him not to make more. Since doing so would be participating in an act he saw as unethical, he would likely do so.
Since deleting the Doctor would harm multiple individuals, Tuvix's Vulcan logic (and Neelix's inherent decency) would prohibit it. Not when escape was a much simpler option, and would harm no one.
Remember Equinox?
"Turn off your ethical subroutines"
Brain surgery on an awake Seven of Nine.
Tuvix Surrendered because there was no where to run.
Janeway was going to chase him to the end of time, and then split him.
Killing the Doctor would mean exile, as well as staying who he is.
Free and clear.
"Turn off your ethical subroutines"
Brain surgery on an awake Seven of Nine.
Tuvix Surrendered because there was no where to run.
Janeway was going to chase him to the end of time, and then split him.
Killing the Doctor would mean exile, as well as staying who he is.
Free and clear.
That assumes that only the Doctor could produce the radio-isotope. Once he discovered the treatment, it's possible that a skilled scientist (like Janeway herself) could replicate his work, even if he no longer existed.
And again, I don't see Tuvix as being willing to kill his shipmates, directly or in (a deleted EMH would indirectly kill many of his crewmates). Not when he could simply beam to his (Neelix's) ship and escape, in the manner specified. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but better to save the many and the few.
And again, I don't see Tuvix as being willing to kill his shipmates, directly or in (a deleted EMH would indirectly kill many of his crewmates). Not when he could simply beam to his (Neelix's) ship and escape, in the manner specified. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but better to save the many and the few.
Hush your mouth!Oh no, it's becoming Yet Another Tuvix Thread.
While it's on topic for generating much Janeway hate this thread is becoming quite Tuvix focused. Suffice it to say it was definitely her Kobayashi Maru.
If Janeway was a competent Scientist, why'd she switch to command?
Maybe she wasn't that competent a scientist and her superiors felt promoting her to captain was a nicer thing to do than telling her that she was a poor scientist.
