What's your unpopular opinions on SNW?
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Ash "Klingon Driving a Human Meat Suit" Tyler was a stupid character from the beginning. I'd be happy never to hear of him again. L'Rell was superfluous even in the scenes featuring the character.
Yep.
Couldn't help but read that in Matt Berry's "Clem stupid fucking name Fandango" voice.
My unpopular opinion is that SNW hasn't come close to it's potential yet. After the 2009 movie, I wanted a series and this is pretty much that series but... it's lacking to me. IMO. YMMV.
It's still fun, though.
It's still fun, though.
See? Why is that unpopular? It's just true.Ya'll are taking baby steps ...
I hate the angled pylons on the SNW Enterprise.
They still look too spindly. I was watching TOS on TV the other night at a restaurant and the establishing shot reminded me of just how thin those pylons look. Yes, I know, I know, people will go "But, teh future!" No, it doesn't change my view that the pylons on the TOS, TMP, and SNW Enterprise don't impress me.
Pike worked better on DIS than on SNW.
And I say this as a "SNW is awsome and DIS made me stop watching Star Trek for a while" type.
Burnham is rash, overly emotional, dramatic, weirdly selfish, cold and uncaring for others, super unstable, and acts on gut instinct. She's a great POV character (if it weren't for all the universe-bending destiny shite).
That played off fantastic with the mature, selfless, idealistic mentor-type Pike. The whole DIS crew (can only speak up to S2) felt so dysfunctional, it felt they NEEDED a Pike, to not immediately break apart, break the ship, and being hunted for murder they actually committed the next week.
SNW has a mature, competent, reasonable crew worthy of handling a spaceship. Which is, you know, totally great and in line for Star Trek. But it feels like this crew would do totally fine even if Pike wasn't there. He's a great "momma bear" to his crew. But he doesn't really has an ideological counterpart like Burnham to play off of, or handles a team that feels it could break apart any second and needs guidance.
And I say this as a "SNW is awsome and DIS made me stop watching Star Trek for a while" type.
Burnham is rash, overly emotional, dramatic, weirdly selfish, cold and uncaring for others, super unstable, and acts on gut instinct. She's a great POV character (if it weren't for all the universe-bending destiny shite).
That played off fantastic with the mature, selfless, idealistic mentor-type Pike. The whole DIS crew (can only speak up to S2) felt so dysfunctional, it felt they NEEDED a Pike, to not immediately break apart, break the ship, and being hunted for murder they actually committed the next week.
SNW has a mature, competent, reasonable crew worthy of handling a spaceship. Which is, you know, totally great and in line for Star Trek. But it feels like this crew would do totally fine even if Pike wasn't there. He's a great "momma bear" to his crew. But he doesn't really has an ideological counterpart like Burnham to play off of, or handles a team that feels it could break apart any second and needs guidance.
It's hilarious to me to see the dichotomy of opinions from DSC to SNW. "The Discovery crew is unworthy! How dare they command a starship at all? Kirk and company would wipe the floor with them!" I remember those discussions well.
Now, it's "The SNW crew is too competent. They need a real screw up to show Pike is awesome."
The fuck?
Now, it's "The SNW crew is too competent. They need a real screw up to show Pike is awesome."
The fuck?
Fascinating. Very well said. Counterpoint: The crew is "mature, competent, reasonable crew worthy of handling a spaceship" BECAUSE of Pike, not in spite of him.
I felt there were more moments that convinced me of this in S1 than in S2. Also, Pike needs a demon again. One of the great things in S1 was Pike struggling with his Fate while still being The Captain. Call it the "Bones, what if I'm WRONG" factor. I'm fine that Pike had some resolution at the end of S1. But that can't be the entire underpinning of his "feet of clay".
No, thanks.
I thought we were past the "tortured leader" trope in Trek. I though that's what the past several Treks had gotten "wrong"?
I thought it worked great in Star Trek. "No beach to walk on" and all that.
Many things they are but "mature" they are not.
One of my biggest problems with Disco and one SNW has definitely inherited is that the crew feel at times like the cast of a California highschool drama.
I don't know. The crew works perfectly fine as is, changing that dramatically might not be a good idea.
But maybe they can make No. 1 more of an ideological counterpart? To give alternative solutions, and friendly but sparring arguments. Or M'Benga offering some "clean" solutions, or April or Batel sending him on some morally questionable missions.
Nothing too dark and edgy. Just throw a little mud on him, to see if/how he keeps his moral high-ground in more morally ambiguous situations.
But maybe they can make No. 1 more of an ideological counterpart? To give alternative solutions, and friendly but sparring arguments. Or M'Benga offering some "clean" solutions, or April or Batel sending him on some morally questionable missions.
Nothing too dark and edgy. Just throw a little mud on him, to see if/how he keeps his moral high-ground in more morally ambiguous situations.
You can be mature about your work AND horny as a teenager privately.
No, but in all seriousness, I too am not too fond of the focus on all the relationship drama. But even there, the characters act mostly like grown-ups who can address and cope with their big feelings. So far.
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