What's the worst relation(ship) in all of Star Trek?
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O yes, I'm with you on that one. Would have been nice...I always liked the sexual tension between Torres and Seven. If there was ever one unrealized lesbian couple in Star Trek, that should've been it.
Without a doubt in my mind, number 1 is Chakotay/Seven. When I first saw Endgame I was just like 
"Did I miss something?!"
Another big one for me is Worf/Ezri's one night stand and then in the next episode Ezri realizing she was in love with Julian (since when?). It was at that point where I really understood the criticism of DS9 that basically said it was a soap opera in space.
Uhura/Scotty in TFF was pretty icky and out of left field.
Worf/Troi was just
. Of course, I guess that beats Troi/dweeb of the week!
I'm not really anti-Trip/T'Pol, but those "neuropressure sessions" were enough to make me gag (just at the sheer shamelessness of it!) Besides, I much more liked the aspect of unresolved sexual tension between T'Pol and Archer. To be honest, I thought that if anyone on the show would have a relationship, it would be Hoshi - just because she's more available.
I'm actually not a huge fan of relationships in Star Trek in general. You're basically following a group of people who are co-workers in a military command structure. It used to be hard for me to swallow any relationships between crew members, but I suppose I've mellowed a little. Still, Trek doesn't have a good track record with love affairs as far as I'm concerned.
"Did I miss something?!"Another big one for me is Worf/Ezri's one night stand and then in the next episode Ezri realizing she was in love with Julian (since when?). It was at that point where I really understood the criticism of DS9 that basically said it was a soap opera in space.
Uhura/Scotty in TFF was pretty icky and out of left field.
Worf/Troi was just
. Of course, I guess that beats Troi/dweeb of the week!I'm not really anti-Trip/T'Pol, but those "neuropressure sessions" were enough to make me gag (just at the sheer shamelessness of it!) Besides, I much more liked the aspect of unresolved sexual tension between T'Pol and Archer. To be honest, I thought that if anyone on the show would have a relationship, it would be Hoshi - just because she's more available.
I'm actually not a huge fan of relationships in Star Trek in general. You're basically following a group of people who are co-workers in a military command structure. It used to be hard for me to swallow any relationships between crew members, but I suppose I've mellowed a little. Still, Trek doesn't have a good track record with love affairs as far as I'm concerned.
Oh come on, you're not really taking anything from that episode seriously? Kira and Bashir being incredibly attracted to each other? Bareil having a crush on Jadzia to the point of following her around like a mad dog and punching a guy out of jealousy? Bareil acting that way at all? Jake being in love with Kira? It was like bad fanfiction, an excuse to have everyone act stupid and out of character and pursue the least likely person so it would be funny. And the "reveal" that it was supposedly some sort of "latent" attraction just made it worse, because it makes no sense. Yeah right, so "latent" that we never saw any trace of any of those "attractions" in any other episode.
Even if that were the case, what is the point of this "reveal" when it plays absolutely no role in any other episode, and makes absolutely no difference to the show?And why the hell would this override these people's personalities and make them act totally OOC?
And BTW why didn't Miles and Keiko start throwing themselves at any random person based on some "latent" attraction? Because they love each other? Well, do did Kira and Bareil. Oh yes, I get it - let's have a lot of silly sex comedy based on nonsensical pairings, but we can't offend the institution of marriage! And why didn't anyone start pursuing a person of the same sex - a same-sex attraction between heterosexual people would certainly be very "latent"? Why didn't, for instance, Bashir start kissing Garak, when he had more chemistry with him than any of the 'couples' in Fascination had? Oh yes, we can't risk alienating people with gayness!
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Sorry, but I just despise that episode too much, so any mention of it tends to make me rant.
As for the Mirror Universe... (*tries to stop herself from having an another rant*) It's equally pointless to draw any parallels and conclusions from the DS9's MU. Characters in DS9 MU are completely different people from their prime universe "counterparts". There's no way that PU Kira Nerys and the Intendant are the same person, they're two different people played by Nana Visitor. Same goes for pretty much everyone else. I mean, they even have DIFFERENT SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS than their "counterparts"! Enough said. If Mirror Jadzia's love life should be any indication of PU Jadzia's feelings, then we should also think that Kira is secretly a bisexual who's attracted to Sisko, Ezri and pretty much everyone else, that Leeta is lusting after Ezri, and that Ezri is actually a lesbian!
Thank you very much for reminding me of Troy/Barkly.
Now I will not be able to sleep tonight
Thank you very much for reminding me of Troy/Barkly.
Actually, I wasn't even referring to Barclay... ewww. I was thinking more along the lines of the guy in "The Price" and that other guy in "The Masterpiece Society"...
I must submit that flash-in-the-pan romance between Will Riker and what's-her-face from the Androgynous Planet. That goes in all time top ten for Worst Premise Ever.
Or the vampire guy from "Man of the People."
Or Tom Riker...
Or Worf...
Or Will Riker...
I'm beginning to wonder if "ship's counselor" is some kind of 24th century euphemism for a Starfleet-comissioned prostitute...
What about Crusher and Female-Odan? If Beverly wasn't so un-fucking-believably shallow that might have evolved into something interesting.
Thank you very much for reminding me of Troy/Barkly.
Or the vampire guy from "Man of the People."
Or Tom Riker...
Or Worf...
Or Will Riker...
I'm beginning to wonder if "ship's counselor" is some kind of 24th century euphemism for a Starfleet-comissioned prostitute...
What about Crusher and Female-Odan? If Beverly wasn't so un-fucking-believably shallow that might have evolved into something interesting.
I must submit that flash-in-the-pan romance between Will Riker and what's-her-face from the Androgynous Planet. That goes in all time top ten for Worst Premise Ever.
Thank you very much for reminding me of Troy/Barkly.
Or the vampire guy from "Man of the People."
Or Tom Riker...
Or Worf...
Or Will Riker...
I'm beginning to wonder if "ship's counselor" is some kind of 24th century euphemism for a Starfleet-comissioned prostitute...
Don't mean to go all OT in my own thread, but why is a woman with a few sex partners a "prostitute", when Riker probably got more action on an episode-by-episode basis than all the characters combined?
Chakotay/Seven, by far.
There were so many potential couplings in Voyager which would have made much more sense: Harry/Seven, Janeway/Chakotay, Chakotay/B'Elanna, Janeway/Seven etc... But Chakotay/Seven?? I mean, what's next? Neelix/B'Elanna?
In general, I didn't mind Trip/T'Pol at all. The Vulcan tantra, eh, I mean "neuropressure", sessions were a bit much though on a exploitative level.
I was also fine with B'Elanna/Tom.
There were so many potential couplings in Voyager which would have made much more sense: Harry/Seven, Janeway/Chakotay, Chakotay/B'Elanna, Janeway/Seven etc...
But Chakotay/Seven?? I mean, what's next? Neelix/B'Elanna?In general, I didn't mind Trip/T'Pol at all. The Vulcan tantra, eh, I mean "neuropressure", sessions were a bit much though on a exploitative level.
I was also fine with B'Elanna/Tom.
I must submit that flash-in-the-pan romance between Will Riker and what's-her-face from the Androgynous Planet. That goes in all time top ten for Worst Premise Ever.
Or the vampire guy from "Man of the People."
Or Tom Riker...
Or Worf...
Or Will Riker...
I'm beginning to wonder if "ship's counselor" is some kind of 24th century euphemism for a Starfleet-comissioned prostitute...
Don't mean to go all OT in my own thread, but why is a woman with a few sex partners a "prostitute", when Riker probably got more action on an episode-by-episode basis than all the characters combined?
I'd like to hear an answer to that one too.
Not to mention that the number of sex partners has nothing to do with prostitution, a person is a prostitute when they're charging for sex. I am not aware that Troi was doing that.I must submit that flash-in-the-pan romance between Will Riker and what's-her-face from the Androgynous Planet. That goes in all time top ten for Worst Premise Ever.
Or the vampire guy from "Man of the People."
Or Tom Riker...
Or Worf...
Or Will Riker...
I'm beginning to wonder if "ship's counselor" is some kind of 24th century euphemism for a Starfleet-comissioned prostitute...
Don't mean to go all OT in my own thread, but why is a woman with a few sex partners a "prostitute", when Riker probably got more action on an episode-by-episode basis than all the characters combined?
BTW Will and Tom Riker are basically the same person, or at least they were when she had the relationship with Riker back on Betazed.
In order, #1 being the worst and #5 being, well, somewhat less than the worst....
5.) T'Pol / Trip (Let's be clear.... I like the idea of T'Pol and Trip being together, as I'm a firm believer in "opposites attract." However, the way in which the relationship was presented just made me want to rip my hair out. All the stupid "will they, won't they" crap was completely unnecessary and worthless. This wasn't Friends, this was Star Trek.)
4.) Ezri / Bashir (I might be the only person who wanted Ezri to end up with Quark.)
3.) NuUhura / NuSpock (What was the point? Other than to say, "Wow, look, something different!")
2.) Kes / Kitchen Rodent (Just creepy, in a stalker-esque sort of way.)
1.) Seven / Chuckles (Talk about out of left-field, completely out of character for both of them, and totally unnecessary.)
5.) T'Pol / Trip (Let's be clear.... I like the idea of T'Pol and Trip being together, as I'm a firm believer in "opposites attract." However, the way in which the relationship was presented just made me want to rip my hair out. All the stupid "will they, won't they" crap was completely unnecessary and worthless. This wasn't Friends, this was Star Trek.)
4.) Ezri / Bashir (I might be the only person who wanted Ezri to end up with Quark.)
3.) NuUhura / NuSpock (What was the point? Other than to say, "Wow, look, something different!")
2.) Kes / Kitchen Rodent (Just creepy, in a stalker-esque sort of way.)
1.) Seven / Chuckles (Talk about out of left-field, completely out of character for both of them, and totally unnecessary.)
Why not? The whole point of that story was that the crew were going after secret desires that they normally would not have because their inhibitions had been compromised.
If they would not normally have those desires, then they're not secret but non-existent.Why not? The whole point of that story was that the crew were going after secret desires that they normally would not have because their inhibitions had been compromised.
No, those desires exist all right. It's just that they wouldn't normally act upon them for various reasons (inappropriateness, shyness, etc.,). It's like having a private fantasy about a co-worker at the job who is really off-limits...If they would not normally have those desires, then they're not secret but non-existent.Why not? The whole point of that story was that the crew were going after secret desires that they normally would not have because their inhibitions had been compromised.
Same here. It made no sense for a bigot like Trip to fall in love with the object of his hatred. And T'Pol was just showing spectacularly bad taste in men.
It is refreshing to see the Trip/T'Pol hatred here. Keep it coming. I've never seen much in that ship either. I thought she and Archer had more chem.
I'm a diehard Spock/Uhura fan, so Scotty/Uhura is my enemy. Fortunately, it can be written off, much like Star Trek V.
Call me crazy, bit I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Choke-tay/Seven, because unlike the rest of the universe, I always liked that guy - thought he got no respect - and it was fitting that he got some at the end.
I'm a diehard Spock/Uhura fan, so Scotty/Uhura is my enemy. Fortunately, it can be written off, much like Star Trek V.
Call me crazy, bit I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Choke-tay/Seven, because unlike the rest of the universe, I always liked that guy - thought he got no respect - and it was fitting that he got some at the end.
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What gave you the idea that Tripp was a bigot?
If that was the case why would he want to be there at all exploring space?
Not to say he wasn't ignorant at times.
No, that doesn't really make sense to me. You might perhaps make a case that the Jadzia part of Jadzia Dax's personality found Sisko attractive but wouldn't admit it to herself because the Dax part of her personality thought of him as an old friend (of Curzon's) in a very non-erotic, non-romantic way... maybe Jake would feel that it's inappropriate to have a crush on an older woman... but Kira and Bashir? If they ever had any real attraction for each other - anything nearly that strong that they would start locking lips as soon as their inhibitions were lifted - what reason would either of them have to be shy or inhibited about it? Yes, at the time, Kira was in a serious relationship, but how about other times before and after, when she was in between relationships? And being in serious relationship with Bareil didn't stop her from being obviously attracted to Tom Riker, and aware of it - even though she wouldn't act on it. What's wrong with Bashir - he's single, he's a nice guy, Kira doesn't hate him and has no reason to, and it's not like she has a problem with admitting she is attracted to a Human (again, Tom Riker), so why wouldn't Kira just go for it? As for Bashir, he was never shy or inhibited about hitting on any woman he found attractive, so why didn't he ever try anything with Kira, or show any sign that he lusted after her? He even kept pining after Jadzia while she was married to Worf, so even Kira's relationships aren't a good enough reason for him to suppress any supposed desire for her so deeply that he wouldn't even be aware of it. How there was never the slightest hint of any flirting or 'secret desires' between those two in any other episode, why didn't they ever get drunk (drink lowers inhibitions, too) and start making out or at least flirted wildly and come close to hooking up?No, those desires exist all right. It's just that they wouldn't normally act upon them for various reasons (inappropriateness, shyness, etc.,). It's like having a private fantasy about a co-worker at the job who is really off-limits...If they would not normally have those desires, then they're not secret but non-existent.Why not? The whole point of that story was that the crew were going after secret desires that they normally would not have because their inhibitions had been compromised.
"Space disease of the week" episodes are only good if they actually reveal something about characters, something that actually has consequences and importance: e.g. in The Naked Time, Chapel's love for Spock, Spock's emotional nature and issues about his half-human heritage, Kirk feeling torn between his ship and his private life, etc. The Naked Now sucked, but at least it involved romantic tensions that actually were featured in the rest of the show. But when a SDOTW is an excuse to do a comedy episode with a lot of pairings that come out of the left field and are never followed upon or mentioned again, it's just random and has no meaning, other than "oh I bet you didn't expect that! Ha ha! Isn't it funny how awkward and confused they are!"
Some people classify anyone with a southern accent as a bigot, which is ironic since a bigot is someone that typecast a group of people in a negative way.
