Could you please not use the word rape like that.
What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?
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Maybe Kirk isn't really dead. After all, Guinan was in the Nexus AFTER she had been killed in the real world (along with everyone else) so why not Kirk as well. Maybe his "echo" is still there to greet every newcomer.
Here's a thought... 39 years after Generations, the Nexus returns again. This time, it gobbles up a small shuttle with Admiral Janeway onboard. Using its time-bending abilities, she manages to pop in right after Soren's defeat. As Death walks up to Kirk to claim him, Janeway hits him with the Janeway Death Glare and tells him to "go back to hell, coward". Death immediately runs off, causing Kirk to survive his injuries. Kirk returns to the Federation to a much deserved hero's welcome.
Yes, it's a lame ending... but it's better than the one we got.
You'd rather get murdered?
Nah: the Borg brought him back. He's fine.
When was Guinan killed????
I like to think that Guinan had an echo there because she was one of the few people ripped out of the nexus by the transporter, and that's why she can sense different timelines.
She was in the saucer section when the sun exploded destroying the planet it was on.
Um...what? I know that GEN is one of my least favorite films but even I would remember if Guinan, who featured as an advisor to Picard in the movie, would be mentioned as being killed. I mean, that's an assumption that strains credulity in a film already straining credulity as a rule.
Um...what? I know that GEN is one of my least favorite films but even I would remember if Guinan, who featured as an advisor to Picard in the movie, would be mentioned as being killed. I mean, that's an assumption that strains credulity in a film already straining credulity as a rule.
Mentioned!!! She didn't need to be mentioned, we see the planet (where the saucer section crashed) dislocated by the shockwave (or whatever that was) right after Soran and Picard disappear from the site. She died and was resuscitated but not before Picard and Kirk came back and saved the day.
How could you miss that?
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Fair point I suppose. Yeah, that movie blurs together and my only impression from Guinan in the Nexus is simply that she was from Picard's mind because he wanted her to be there. Or some weird nonsense. I didn't think she was Guinan from the ENT-D I guess is my point.
She was an echo of the Guinan from the El Aurian transports.
Ok, thank you. I seriously could not remember.
To quote a certain villain: "You'll be witnessing the victory of the echo over the voice."
Only people actually hit by the nexus are well, in the nexus. Or echos at least.
This is probably the subject of 8,000 fanfics.
Once in the Nexus, always in the Nexus.
Since time has no meaning in the nexus, once you are in there, you are always in there. It’s not built on linear temporal mechanics. Even if “you” chose to leave...”you” are also eternally there. Time doesn’t pass. So there’s no difference between the point of you being there and the points before you got there or after you exited. You are either in the nexus “always” or you were “never” in there at all. Time isn’t flowing. There’s no difference.
It’s actually a really great little science fiction concept that the movie never really fleshed out.
It’s actually a really great little science fiction concept that the movie never really fleshed out.
Not necessarily. I think the Nexus basically allows the entrant to sort of explore the multiverse of time and space completely unencumbered by standard linear temporal mechanics or biological mortality. It's not REALLY a fantasy land....but it is a literal nexus of the infinite points across time and the multiverse. So, if one is aware of the presence of another in this nexus, they can navigate to that same pocket in time and space and interact with them. Guinan, for instance, has a (unexplained but canonical) "special connection" to Picard...and also a special sense about temporal mechanics (Yesterday's Enterprise). I've always assumed that she was able to sense Picard's presence in the Nexus...where most other species would not...and she then acted as his guide to finding Kirk.
I don't think your average entrant would even think of it, let alone understand it. Look at Soran, for example, who is obsessed like a junkie on one sole thing- getting back to where he initially landed to be back with his family. I doubt very much someone like that would have the knowledge, desire, or will power to guide themselves to another traveler's time and pocket in the multiverse. At least...not without cause or guidance to do so.
Maybe Christopher Nolan should write a follow-up film.
All I know is that everyone in this thread has put more thought into the Nexus and what it is than Braga and Moore did. That's not meant to be a dig, the two of them even admit in the DVD commentary they never really knew what the hell the Nexus was supposed to be.
One thing we should consider about the echo of Guinan in the Nexus is that she was, by her own admission, ripped away from there by the Enterprise-B's transporter. It's very possible that is the only reason her echo is still there.
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