On the contrary, I loved it. But I am going through a phase of loving ultra bleak stuff. And in the end...
They die so the TV versions can live
Spoilers What's the craziest thing Trek has done?
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I edited your post to use a spoiler tag, because even though the thread is labelled, the first sentences are visible just with a mouse-hover.
No problem, I hadn't considered that.
Almost building that full sized Enterprise in Las Vegas.
The funny thing is the authors say the reason they chose to do what they did with the Coda trilogy was to provide fans with closure as opposed to Star Wars just dropping their EU novel trilogy and walking away in 2014.
Personally, I think Star Wars got the better end of the deal. At least the fans can pretend the old Legends continuity is still happening on some other plane of existence, even if it's one we'll never see again. Which I find far more comforting than the wholesale slaughter and then actually negating the timeline from ever happening that the Star Trek Litverse ended with.
Best I can think of is they wanted a definitive "This is The End" as a means of pre-empting any attempt to form a "Bring back the Litverse" campaign just as Star Wars has a "Bring back Legends" going on for a few years now.
There's also the fact that Star Trek fans really don't get subtlety at times. Just look at how many seemed convinced that Disco's trip to the 32nd century would only be temporary, despite all the talk from everyone about the decision being made to "fix canon." Hell, some still believe a return to the 23rd century is inevitable before the series ends. This ignorance of subtlety even extends to the novel fans, who misinterpreted the fact that the Enterprise novels re-wrote TATV as proof the novels are free to overwrite the shows whenever they see fit when in fact they were just taking advantage of the fact that TATV is in fact a holoprogram and decided to tell the "real" story. When dealing with such a fandom, I can see the desire to avoid any kind of nuance that can be misinterpreted, reinterpreted, or whatever and present something which definitively and categorically says "this is The End and it can Never be revisited again" without room for interpretation.
Twice, in different ways.
Daring to take TNG seriously and confidently, and popularize into mainstream public zeitgeist a new crew despite all the naysayers saying it couldn't be done, buoyed by the uneven nature of season 1 (and residual clunkers in season 2, but by then the show pretty much proved itself and 3 just took what worked and doubled-down.)
Even Apollo's big hand isn't as "FTW" as Lincoln, though that was an apparition based on the rock monster thing scanning Kirk's mind.
Sci-fi can be a weird thing, and some things could only be done with such ("po-faced"?) sincerity in the 1960s, especially mind-reading (an indelible staple of the genre, it seems), right down to the big amoeba in space (which is about as 60s as anything can get)... even then, Roddenberry was burnt out and using rehashed material done better earlier in "The Savage Curtain", though the episode still had a couple worthwhile moments that almost make up for it.
In all honesty, Star Treks weirdness
is what I’ve always like about the franchise. It feels more “honest” than the over produced, all action sub-genre of sci-fi you see so often in popular media (not saying that it’s bad, I like it as well)
though I do like the more serious tone that was introduced in DS9.
Good points! Popular media does more often copy/paste than not, and there is more risk. (and some reuse is inevitable and isn't always bad, total agreement - I like a fair bit of it too.
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It does send a strong message warning against speeding through.
Signs seen at Starfleet Academy:
"Think becoming a warp salamander cannot happen to you?"
<images of warp salamanders>
"Think again!"
Signs seen at Starfleet Academy:
"Think becoming a warp salamander cannot happen to you?"
<images of warp salamanders>
"Think again!"
Also:
Kill People
Cure People
They are deathtraps is what they are. Every time you use one, it's Russian Roulette.
The whole premise behind One Little Ship - DS9....???
Funny thing... I read that the idea for shrinking the crew goes as far back as season 3 or 4 of TNG, by Rene Echevarria I think. It got vetoed many, many times. I don't remember who finally said do it, or why, but I do remember reading that the science consultants dreaded the day they got the script for a 'shrink the crew' episode.
(I have to say with honesty: it's not a bad episode. It has an interesting difference in strategies by the Alpha and Gamma Jem'Hadar, which we sadly never see again. Probably the best thing the writers did was have Sisko and Kira laughing in the teaser... it let the audience know, "We know this is nuts, but just go with it." In that way, they didn't insult our intelligence by playing it too seriously.)
To answer the question of the thread...
One of the fun things about STAR TREK, and science fiction in general, is you can really go out there and be crazy. In every kind of genre, too.
Definitely one of the craziest things I've seen is thinking Grand Nagus Zek going to the Mirror Universe to look for new profit opportunities was a good idea. It's definitely an idea that just didn't work.
One of the fun things about STAR TREK, and science fiction in general, is you can really go out there and be crazy. In every kind of genre, too.
Definitely one of the craziest things I've seen is thinking Grand Nagus Zek going to the Mirror Universe to look for new profit opportunities was a good idea. It's definitely an idea that just didn't work.
As somebody who grew up on the likes of FANTASTIC VOYAGE and THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN and DOCTOR CYCLOPS and the like, this didn't bother me at all. It's a time-honored, old-school sci-fi gimmick, like time portals and telepathic aliens and space empires and such.
And if you were sitting down when you got transported, it would thoughtfully stand you up when you rematerialized!
Everything can kill you in the 24th century. Look at that Kazon ship in State of Flux, it got blown up by a replicator. A frickin' REPLICATOR! That's like an armed gunboat getting blown inside out because someone installed a coffeemaker onboard.
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