What's keeping me out of the theatre....

[Forbin]

So when, specifically, in TOS did two disgraced and/or exiled personnel, one of them a cadet, become command officers overnight?

Oh, please, stop the bullshit argument!! If they had done that in the original, you'd be blasting the new film for copying 40-yr old plots!

You don't like it, that's all the reason you need. I do, and that's all the reason I need.

Puhleeeeease!

Overreact much?

 

[trevanian]

No he said that adding that stuff was for the purpose of hiding what he calls "stupid-fi."

TOS always had T&A and action sequences. What it didn't have was ADHD editing which is more of a product of its time. As far as the "stupid-fi," that's a needlessly demeaning term which could be applied to anything. One could say that TOS did the same thing.

He was implying that audiences are eating it up because they don't know any better because of the fast pace, T&A and action. That conclusion is insulting, beyond being completely fallacious.

It sounds reasonable to me. Geezus, millions of people like the BOURNE movies, which to me seem like spy movies made by people who've never seen a spy movie or cut an action scene or photographed a moving object (except for Clive Owen's near-cameo in the first one, I can't think of anything memorable in a good way about them.) That would suggest this is a template for summer action, an accurate remark, regardless of whether some member of the audience would find it insulting.

It's the remark I find dismissive. I found the film to have more depth than the poster is giving it credit for. We're not going to agree so I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

O-kay, think I got it. You don't like that his remark is dismissive of a viewpoint that happens to resemble your own. Yeah, don't waste any more time explaining, it's clear now.

 

[number6]

It sounds reasonable to me. Geezus, millions of people like the BOURNE movies, which to me seem like spy movies made by people who've never seen a spy movie or cut an action scene or photographed a moving object (except for Clive Owen's near-cameo in the first one, I can't think of anything memorable in a good way about them.) That would suggest this is a template for summer action, an accurate remark, regardless of whether some member of the audience would find it insulting.

It's the remark I find dismissive. I found the film to have more depth than the poster is giving it credit for. We're not going to agree so I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

O-kay, think I got it. You don't like that his remark is dismissive of a viewpoint that happens to resemble your own. Yeah, don't waste any more time explaining, it's clear now.

Whatever, man.

 

[Bishbot]

Alien is all sub-text and artistry--from the set designs by Ron Cobb to the alien sculptures (because that's what they were) by H.R. Giger all but make it a movie that should be shown in a museum; it surpasses 2001 and even Scott's own Blade Runner visually.

I also think it has a far superior script and cast. Alien is the most real-feeling SF movie I've ever seen.

Don't mean to bump this thread except to add this: I rewatched Alien the other day and noticed that it's full of lense flares... I thought that was hilarious in the context of the bitching surrounding Star Trek. (and yes Alien is a much, much superior film)

 

[number6]

Alien was a tense monster movie set in a spaceship, Star Trek is...Star Trek.

Both films rock.

 

[Bishbot]

Alien was a tense monster movie set in a spaceship, Star Trek is...Star Trek.

Both films rock.

Granted.

 

[Forbin]

At least the lens flares hid how ugly they made the Enterprise. Sometimes.

 

[Praetor]

Moving fast helped too.

I really have to find one of the drawings I made of the 1701 as a kid. The resemblance is uncanny. (This coming from one who has grown from utterly hating the nu ship to mostly sorta liking it.)

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I made my case againsty the new ship ages ago: any redesign is ho-hum at this point, since we've seen so goddamn many variants on MJ's original design since the breath-taking refit in TMP. Putting a ship on screen that closely resembled the original would have been the radical thing to do.

But I don't hate this new ship--don't love it but don't hate it, either.

 

[Joker]

Its neck grows out of its ass.

It blows.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Hey! My neck grows out my ass! Now I have hurt feelings...

 

[Praetor]

I made my case against the new ship ages ago: any redesign is ho-hum at this point, since we've seen so goddamn many variants on MJ's original design since the breath-taking refit in TMP. Putting a ship on screen that closely resembled the original would have been the radical thing to do.

But I don't hate this new ship--don't love it but don't hate it, either.

Yeah, spot on there.

Its neck grows out of its ass.

It blows.

Hey! My neck grows out my ass! Now I have hurt feelings...

 

[RAMA]

I've watched TOS as much as you have, W9, and Court Maritial was the very first episode I ever bought on tape, when the VHS blue-boxes came out in the States.

But the new film is Star Trek without trying to be TOS. TOS is over and done, and unless we can get everyone in a time machine and a resurrection ship, it's never coming back.

All of this is like Loki/Bele. Warped9 and his hatred of nuTOS will fight forever.

I gotta laugh when some express the notion that because nuTrek isn't EXACTLY like TOS we can't be happy.

News Flash! We dion't expect it to be exactly like TOS. We do hope, though, that it could have some measure of smarts that TOS has been known to deliver.

But instead we're supposed to be entranced and distracted by the film equivalent of a bleached blonde stripper with HUGE tits hgangin' out who also happens to be DUMB AS SHIT!

Yeah, kind of like half of the 3rd season of TOS.

RAMA

 

[Noname Given]

I've watched TOS as much as you have, W9, and Court Maritial was the very first episode I ever bought on tape, when the VHS blue-boxes came out in the States.

But the new film is Star Trek without trying to be TOS. TOS is over and done, and unless we can get everyone in a time machine and a resurrection ship, it's never coming back.

All of this is like Loki/Bele. Warped9 and his hatred of nuTOS will fight forever.

I gotta laugh when some express the notion that because nuTrek isn't EXACTLY like TOS we can't be happy.

News Flash! We dion't expect it to be exactly like TOS. We do hope, though, that it could have some measure of smarts that TOS has been known to deliver.

But instead we're supposed to be entranced and distracted by the film equivalent of a bleached blonde stripper with HUGE tits hgangin' out who also happens to be DUMB AS SHIT!

Yeah, kind of like half of the 3rd season of TOS.

RAMA

Half is GENEROUS, it's more like 2/3rds.

 

[USS Mariner]

Hey! My neck grows out my ass! Now I have hurt feelings...

What's great about this is that, basically, it's true for anybody.

Just sayin'...

 

[Brutal Strudel]

The neckbone's connected to the assbone...

 

[Forbin]

We're on vacation this week. I asked my wife (as much a Trekkie as myself) if she wanted to use some of my free theater passes to see Star Trek again (the first time being a DLed bootleg).

She said "Oh, I think not!"

 

[Cakes488]

I've watched TOS as much as you have, W9, and Court Maritial was the very first episode I ever bought on tape, when the VHS blue-boxes came out in the States.

But the new film is Star Trek without trying to be TOS. TOS is over and done, and unless we can get everyone in a time machine and a resurrection ship, it's never coming back.

All of this is like Loki/Bele. Warped9 and his hatred of nuTOS will fight forever.

I gotta laugh when some express the notion that because nuTrek isn't EXACTLY like TOS we can't be happy.

News Flash! We dion't expect it to be exactly like TOS. We do hope, though, that it could have some measure of smarts that TOS has been known to deliver.

But instead we're supposed to be entranced and distracted by the film equivalent of a bleached blonde stripper with HUGE tits hgangin' out who also happens to be DUMB AS SHIT!

Yeah, kind of like half of the 3rd season of TOS.

RAMA

Well at least you've narrowed this down to half of the 3rd season...I distinctly remember you saying all of season 3 was shit...as well as other ep's...so you're finally coming around...bout time!

 

[kissthestar]

Gimme story, or get out.

 

[Captain Robert April]

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!