What's in YOUR 'head canon'?

[Phoenix219]

Well, that's getting into major retcon territory, IMO. Not that you couldn't tell an interesting story with that premise, but if Starfleet is secretly rotten to the core, it's not really a Star Trek story any more, is it?

Well all of those corrupt admirals have to be coming from somewhere, and Section 31 shouldn't still exist if it is "rogue" AND known about by the "normal" SF members. I would believe that there is a black ops/CIA/NSA type division in the shadows, absolutely.

It doesn't change the "trek" future; it gives a plot structure to explore morality, gray areas, good of the many (federation) vs the few (acceptable casualties to Section 31).

 

[The Old Mixer]

Kirk Prime is just as big a fan of the Beastie Boys as Kelvinverse Kirk. We just never really got a good look at Kirk Prime's home life to hear it.

I think Kirk Prime would have been more of an Elton John man....

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So, for example, stuff like the Eugenics War, the Bell Riots, World War III, Earth's FTL development (i.e. Cochrane's Warp Drive) and "First Contact" with the Vulcans would happen MUCH later (give or take 100 years from what the STAR TREK timeline/chronology depicts).

Don't know if I mentioned it somewhere upthread, but it's been part of my head canon since 1996 that the 1990s dates given in "Space Seed" are apocryphal and that the Eugenics Wars and the global war of the mid-21st century established in TNG and First Contact are one and the same. The Eastern Coalition could have been Khan's faction.

Of course, the timeline for that event will be contradicted one way or another within the lifetimes of some of us here.

 

[UnknownSample]

Don't know if I mentioned it somewhere upthread, but it's been part of my head canon since 1996 that the 1990s dates given in "Space Seed" are apocryphal and that the Eugenics Wars and the global war of the mid-21st century established in TNG and First Contact are one and the same. The Eastern Coalition could have been Khan's faction.

Of course, the timeline for that event will be contradicted one way or another within the lifetimes of some of us here.

That was the intent. The Eugenics Wars having happened (aka WW3) was reaffirmed in DS9 even as the dates given in TOS were being proven wrong by real life. I doubt they'd have gone to the trouble of dropping a WW3 of their own into Trek's history with First Contact. They were going to considerable trouble to fit a story with Z Cochrane into Trek's established future history. Continuity survives pretty well, if you keep your mind on events and let your ideas about specific dates stay fluid.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't see why real life has to matter with regard to events in the Trek universe. There were so super soldier experiments in the 40's that gave birth to Captain America, and there was no generic engineering in the 60's that gave rise to Khan. Neither the Marvel universe nor the Star Trek need to be our own. IMO, of course. YMMV.

 

[UnknownSample]

I don't see why real life has to matter with regard to events in the Trek universe. There were so super soldier experiments in the 40's that gave birth to Captain America, and there was no generic engineering in the 60's that gave rise to Khan. Neither the Marvel universe nor the Star Trek need to be our own. IMO, of course. YMMV.

It's harder for the weight and believability needed in science fiction to survive changing the present to something we know for a fact it isn't. In comics, and fantasy, anything goes.
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Still, SF can get away with it. It's just harder.

 

[stardream]

I don't see why real life has to matter with regard to events in the Trek universe. There were so super soldier experiments in the 40's that gave birth to Captain America, and there was no generic engineering in the 60's that gave rise to Khan. Neither the Marvel universe nor the Star Trek need to be our own. IMO, of course. YMMV.

It's an alternate future.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Eugenics Wars having happened (aka WW3) was reaffirmed in DS9

If you're referring to the "200 years ago" line in "Doctor Bashir I Presume"? That was a writing error. It's not binding on canon.

 

[UnknownSample]

? As I said, I'm simply referring to the fact that DS9 mentions the Eugenics Wars. I didn't bring up when. My point was that we don't need to care exactly when. The continuity works, as long as it's not based on numbers (dates).

 

[charliefox]

I don't see why real life has to matter with regard to events in the Trek universe. There were so super soldier experiments in the 40's that gave birth to Captain America, and there was no generic engineering in the 60's that gave rise to Khan. Neither the Marvel universe nor the Star Trek need to be our own. IMO, of course. YMMV.

I think it the best way to look at it. It's obvious that many events "foretold" by star trek have already failed to happen. The more time passes to more of these events (only present in the Trek universe) will come up. There will probably be no warp drive in 2063, much less a visit from extraterrestrials that will happen to look exactly like Vulcans. Most people are aware of that.

 

[Nyotarules]

I think it the best way to look at it. It's obvious that many events "foretold" by star trek have already failed to happen. The more time passes to more of these events (only present in the Trek universe) will come up. There will probably be no warp drive in 2063, much less a visit from extraterrestrials that will happen to look exactly like Vulcans. Most people are aware of that.

Which will be a shame since they are coming on my birthday, I'll be old and semifeeble by then.

 

[Cyke101]

I think Kirk Prime would have been more of an Elton John man....

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But in the utopian future, we're *all* Elton John fans!

 

[UssGlenn]

I was watching "The Omega Glory" last night. The only way the ending makes sense is if there was an early joint American-Chinese colonizing effort that was thrown way across the Galaxy by a temporal wormhole, depositing them a couple thousand years in the past. That's the only way to make them a lost colony and have enough time for the society to develop as we saw.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was watching "The Omega Glory" last night. The only way the ending makes sense is if there was an early joint American-Chinese colonizing effort that was thrown way across the Galaxy by a temporal wormhole, depositing them a couple thousand years in the past. That's the only way to make them a lost colony and have enough time for the society to develop as we saw.

The episode never states it's a colony of any kind. It's just some weird Star Trek cosmic coincidence like Miri's world and Roman World. The writers liked to play with the idea that planets would develop parallels to Earth down to the tiniest details. Not very scientific.

 

[Nyotarules]

The episode never states it's a colony of any kind. It's just some weird Star Trek cosmic coincidence like Miri's world and Roman World. The writers liked to play with the idea that planets would develop parallels to Earth down to the tiniest details. Not very scientific.

A limited budget and limited audience = the rest of the galaxy is just like Earth as long as Earth = smalltown WASP USA

 

[Nerys Myk]

A limited budget and limited audience = the rest of the galaxy is just like Earth as long as Earth = smalltown WASP USA

Not in those cases. The number of Earth culture parallels is rather small. Most aliens weren't presented that way. They had their own non-Terran clothing and cultures. OTOH they mostly looked liked white humans. On rare occasions we'd see non white actors as aliens.

Miri's plucky band of children had some diversity. Even though it was filmed on the set used for the quintessential WASP TV town, Mayberry.

They tried to show human diversity as well

And they did use non-white actors in key roles

 

[Tracy Trek]

Miri's plucky band of children had some diversity. Even though it was filmed on the set used for the quintessential WASP TV town, Mayberry.

The episode about Miri was filmed on the Mayberry set? I didn't know that. I know that The City on the Edge of Forever was because in the scene where Kirk and Edith Keeler are walking down the street, they go past Floyd's Barber Shop.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The episode about Miri was filmed on the Mayberry set? I didn't know that. I know that The City on the Edge of Forever was because in the scene where Kirk and Edith Keeler are walking down the street, they go past Floyd's Barber Shop.

The town's seen better days

 

[UssGlenn]

The episode never states it's a colony of any kind. It's just some weird Star Trek cosmic coincidence like Miri's world and Roman World. The writers liked to play with the idea that planets would develop parallels to Earth down to the tiniest details. Not very scientific.

There was some deleted dialogue where they theorize about a early lost colony. My point is the parallel is too close to be anything else, necessitating time travel to make the timeline work. I think Miri's world and the Roman World are due to outside influences as well.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There was some deleted dialogue where they theorize about a early lost colony. My point is the parallel is too close to be anything else, necessitating time travel to make the timeline work. I think Miri's world and the Roman World are due to outside influences as well.

Suffers from Too Many Hoops Syndrome, IMO.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Miri's plucky band of children had some diversity. Even though it was filmed on the set used for the quintessential WASP TV town, Mayberry.

At least part of the diversity of Miri's band of kids was because they used some of the kids of the actors on the Desilu lot. I'm pretty sure that's Phil Morris on the lower left, as his father Greg was working on Mission: Impossible at the time. Shatner's and Grace Lee Whitney's kids can also be seen in the episode.