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What's in YOUR 'head canon'?

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It doesn't have to be that way. I suppose you could make the same argument for a cop who has seen the worst of the streets, or a doctor who has seen many people die of horrible diseases. Yet many of them keep their faith, and in fact grow in faith due to these circumstances. They would just pray for better spiritual discernment and wisdom if faced with alien "miracles", to know what is true and what is not.
 
Some novels portray Vulcans as agnostics, some as totally non religious, yet they follow the rules of Surak like its religious dogmas and anyone who turns from the path is considered an outcast. Yeah the ST universe has religion in it....lots of it. There is room for all!
 
Which is funny because in the TMP novel Roddenberry said that they had a seventh sense that could detect God. (Diane Duane ran with that in Spock's World.)
 
Which is funny because in the TMP novel Roddenberry said that they had a seventh sense that could detect God. (Diane Duane ran with that in Spock's World.)
Oh yes,'The All' was the description. GR was meant to be a humanist so its surprising he went down this road in the TMP novel
 
Oh yes,'The All' was the description. GR was meant to be a humanist so its surprising he went down this road in the TMP novel
I remember reading Spock's world and the passage about "The All". What was "The Other" supposed to be? Was it the underlier creature or something else?
 
I remember reading Spock's world and the passage about "The All". What was "The Other" supposed to be? Was it the underlier creature or something else?

Hmmmm... The Sylvester McCoy Doctor New Adventures talked about Gallifreyan founding fathers (??!) Omega, Rassilon, and... The Other. I don't consider this a flimsy way of tying all of Trek and all of DW together at ALL.
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Oh yes,'The All' was the description. GR was meant to be a humanist so its surprising he went down this road in the TMP novel
Roddenberry had many different religious and spiritual beliefs over the course of his life, including near the end of his life atheism. According to a book by his long time assistant and mistress Susan Sackett, at the time of TMP Roddenberry himself was a believer in "The All." A late 1970's spiritual movement.
Some novels portray Vulcans as agnostics, some as totally non religious
In the show we heard of Vulcan ancestor worship, shrines, temples, priests and priestess and see a off-world monastery.

Tuvok's wife ask the temple priests to say prayers for his safe return.
IMO, any species that are space-faring would be decidedly non-religious, if a space traveler has been "out there" long enough
Why would this be?
 
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I can see anyone but Vulcans having religions. Sometimes the outer trappings of what looks like religion can be there, robes, hushed voices, reflection... when it's more about philosophy rather than supernatural beliefs about deities.
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And if Voyager had Tuvok's family praying to Vulcan gods, let's all just get collective amnesia about that, and move on, I say. Mistakes get made.
 
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Didn't Tuvok once say that he doesn't believe in the existence of the katra?

And the Vulcans, you'd think, would embrace diversity (heck, they invented the concept of IDIC) to the point where Vulcans would be just as likely as any other race to have religion, or indeed many of them.
 
Without having read most of the thread, just a few things that are in my head-canon:

1) WW3 wasn't a nuclear war between nations. It was more akin to a worlwide civil war, where nations crumbled, and militaristic/religious/xenophobic terrorist groups fought against gouvernements and each other, resulting in a worldwide period of chaos and failed states. Nuclear warheads were exploded, but not against other nuclear armed nations but against "terrorists", and a lot of radiation came from reactor catastrophes from unfunded and unmaintained nuclear power plants. Basically: More "Mad Max", less "The day after". The "Eastern coalition" mentioned in "First Contact" was a radical hacker group that gained control of satellite systems and targeted them against their "enemies".

2). Zephrane Chochraine wasn't a drunk hobo that stumbled upn a warp drive. He was one of the most prestigous scientist in the world, with his own institute, that was refitting the Phoenix way before WW3 started. But when gouvernement fell, cities delved into chaos, he turned into a bitter alcoholic. He and his scientists stayed and continued working, but were bogged down without funding and the need to self-supply during the chaos.

3) Khan and his fellows were the result of genetic engineering, not selective breeding. Also, the Eugenic War wasn't fought in 1996, but much later. In fact it was the same "dark time" usually mentioned by Q, with the same mock-trials. The characters simply misremembered the dates, the same way many people today think WWI (1914-1918) was fought against Nazis.

4).The "Earth-Romulus" war was entirely fought in Federation space - by Romulan drones against Earth ships. Much like the USA is droning Pakistan and Afghanistan today, Romulan tried to disupt the Earth Alliance with drone attacks. That's why nobody ever saw a Romulan - they only fought their technology. It ended, when the Romulan drone program was shut down after much escalating and use of nuclear weapons. Earth propaganda immediately turned that into a "victory". A treaty was signed (with Romulan signature in absence) to make the use of weaponized drone ships illegal - that's why we never saw Romulan drones like in ENT later in the future in TOS or TNG. Only a few hundred years later, with the economic powers of many different races combined, the Federation suddenly became equally powerfull as the Romulans. Basically, for Earth it was their "Independence war". For the Romulans, it was Vietnam.

5.) The Enterprise from ENT was referenced in history books only as "NX-01", and the history of Archer's exploration mission was overshadowed by the Romulan war, that's why the NX never was included in the starship gallerys of later "Enterprises".

6.) Most of the "human aliens" on TOS, or the "forehead-ridges" aliens on TNG in reality looked truly alien. They were just too alien for us (present day viewers) to read their emotions, while future-humans were trained to do so (much like babys can read the emotions of monkeys - but loose that capability because it isn't useful for them in daily life, they learn to read alien' faces, but keep that ability). It was just "made easier" for us viewers, so they were portrayed as mostly humans. In reality those looked like reptile or starfish aliens though.

7.) The fleet sizes of the Dominion war were much smaller than implied. When they say "we lost 100 ships", that means only a handfull of supersized ships like Galaxy class or Nebula class ships. The majority were always much smaller ships, the size of Nova-class, the Raven, "Insurrection"'s scout ship or only runabouts. Also, all ships had their shields active, and it took much longer to destroy some ships than seen on screen. Also, the Enterprise-E, Intrepid- and Nova-type ships all took major parts in the battles.

8.) There are more types of Borg drones than were seen on screen. There are repair-drones, combat-drones, exploration-drones, medizine-drones, and leader drones (like the queen). All are part and voice of the greater collective though. Even the queens. But much of the tactical thinking of the hive-mind "voices" itself through the queens. Also, the Borg don't care much about humanoid bodies - that's why they don't clone or breed their own armies like the Dominion. They care about assimilating "experience" and knowledge, that's why they are always hunting other sentient beings, instead of "farming" mindless drones. They are more interested in assimilating beings that fought against them and developed new tactics and technologies, than completely wiping out other civilisations - that's why much of the Delta quadrant can survive on a low technology-level, and why they always attack Earth with only one ship.

9) Romulus wasn't destroyed in the prime timeline. The Narada, red matter, future-Spock, the Jellyfish and the Hobus supernova are all part of the original future of the JJ-timeline. Which always was a parallel timeline. When Spock and Nero travelled back in time, they only changed the future of their timeline, not the prime-timeline. In the Kelvin-timeline, Khan was always white, starships had front-windows instead of viewscreens, Sarek was played by Ben Cross, and the Franklin the first warp 4 ship. The original Kelvin-future was much closer in looks to the prime universe than after Nero's incursion though.

10) In the Star Trek universe, there was no "Star Trek" tv-series in the past. Instead they had a popular space opera called "Galaxy Quest" on television. Whose actors once were abducted by real aliens...
 
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And if Voyager had Tuvok's family praying to Vulcan gods, let's all just get collective amnesia about that, and move on, I say. Mistakes get made.
I feel the opposite, T'Pel's message to Tuvok confirms earlier infomation about the Vulcans and ties into later infomation. The Vulcan people are a religious/spiritual peoples.

I can see anyone but Vulcans having religions.
The Vulcans are intelligent beings who take reality as it is, through observation, study and meditation. Their relationship with God, gods, the universe would be based upon that. While I could see some Vulcans not participating in religious practices, it would be hard to imagine a Vulcan being a atheist.
All the so-called in-jokes in the okudagram people lists ...
I take the Okudagrams to be factual pieces of important information, yes some of them is in jest, but not always and they need to be taken as canon.

So, no problem with there being a Admiral Gene Roddenberry in Starfleet at the time the TNG Enterprise was commissioned, or that there's a corporation named Yoyodyne in the Federation, or that Humans in the future will name a world Alderaan.
The "Eastern coalition"
The eastern coalition was a rival development group also attempting to create the first FTL engine, a several years prior to FC they had made a series of attacks on Cockrane's group.
The "Earth-Romulus" war was entirely fought in Federation space - by Romulan drones against Earth ships.
In my own "head canon" the Earth-Romulan War involve massive fleet actions and thousands of starships, basically a interstellar version of the naval battles during the second world war. And it was hell of a lot longer than four years.
The fleet sizes of the Dominion war were much smaller than implied
Lots and lots of runabouts, and those fighters we saw probably counted the same as a runabout.
Romulus wasn't destroyed in the prime timeline.
I believe every aspect of the Abrams movies was outside the prime universe.
In the Star Trek universe, there was no "Star Trek" tv-series
However, there were over seven hundred hours of "Battlecruiser Vengeance."
 
Did he? I don't remember, but there are a few episodes I regularly skip over.
I don't recall that one either. I don't even recall him mentioning a katra.

Speaking of which...Do you think if Tuvok had passed away before they got home, if he had time, would he entrust his katra (if he believed in the concept) to Janeway or just let it go into the oblivion?
 
As for the Vulcans:

1) They are a logical, atheist species, that keeps their religion and spirituality as part of their culture. Like many atheists today that sill go to church regularly, the scientific minded Vulcans don't "believe" in gods and only let their actions determined by logically proven things. But their ancestors were religious, and that religion is part of Vulcan heritage that deserves to be preserved, not as part of history in museums, but in actual engagement and continuiation of practice.

2). Vulcans have emtions. Always had, and always know about them. They are just trained to not act upon them. And they are soo good at that that many outsiders belive they truly don't have them. And the Vulcans often help that myth by pretending ("lying") to outsiders that they don't feel emotions. Which is just an exaggeration, because they can control them much better than any other species. Still, Vulcans still appreciate art, love, and emotions. They just don't show it, and try to not let them influence their behaviour, as well as not letting them be influenced by hate or other negative feelings. Just emotions. (This somewhat flip-flopped around in canon Trek. Sometimes the Vulcans are portrayed as to really have no emotions or try to completely purge themselves from it (TMP, 09) - otherwise only their impulse control is superiour, like in the case of Tuvok who has to deal with being overwhelmed by them when not able to control them - with his (and Spock's) normal state being "feeling emotions like friendship - but acting like he was totally rational and not influenced by those emotions") I prefer the latter, simply because it's more "logical", and better fits with all the still somewhat emotional Vulcans. They aren't out of the ordinary, they are just not as good as others in the "act upon logic, not your emotion"-department).
 
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1) WW3 wasn't a nuclear war between nations. It was more akin to a worlwide civil war, where nations crumbled, and militaristic/religious/xenophobic terrorist groups fought against gouvernements and each other, resulting in a worldwide period of chaos and failed states. Nuclear warheads were exploded, but not against other nuclear armed nations but against "terrorists", and a lot of radiation came from reactor catastrophes from unfunded and unmaintained nuclear power plants. Basically: More "Mad Max", less "The day after". The "Eastern coalition" mentioned in "First Contact" was a radical hacker group that gained control of satellite systems and targeted them against their "enemies".

2). Zephrane Chochraine wasn't a drunk hobo that stumbled upn a warp drive. He was one of the most prestigous scientist in the world, with his own institute, that was refitting the Phoenix way before WW3 started. But when gouvernement fell, cities delved into chaos, he turned into a bitter alcoholic. He and his scientists stayed and continued working, but were bogged down without funding and the need to self-supply during the chaos.

These are both fascinating ideas. I already kind of thought that about Cochrane and the Phoenix project, but this is pretty interesting interpretation of WWIII.

Though, I have no problem with Khan being from the 1990's. No reason Star Trek's timeline has to be our own.

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4).The "Earth-Romulus" war was entirely fought in Federation space - by Romulan drones against Earth ships. Much like the USA is droning Pakistan and Afghanistan today, Romulan tried to disupt the Earth Alliance with drone attacks. That's why nobody ever saw a Romulan - they only fought their technology. It ended, when the Romulan drone program was shut down after much escalating and use of nuclear weapons. Earth propaganda immediately turned that into a "victory". A treaty was signed (with Romulan signature in absence) to make the use of weaponized drone ships illegal - that's why we never saw Romulan drones like in ENT later in the future in TOS or TNG. Only a few hundred years later, with the economic powers of many different races combined, the Federation suddenly became equally powerfull as the Romulans. Basically, for Earth it was their "Independence war". For the Romulans, it was Vietnam.
ways attack Earth with only one ship.

This is a fantastic idea which had never occurred to me. I really like this one.

10) In the Star Trek universe, there was no "Star Trek" tv-series in the past. Instead they had a popular space opera called "Galaxy Quest" on television. Whose actors once were abducted by real aliens...

YES!

--Alex
 
As for the Vulcans:
1) They are a logical, atheist species, that keeps their religion and spirituality as part of their culture. Like many atheists today that sill go to church regularly, the scientific minded Vulcans don't "believe" in gods and only let their actions determined by logically proven things. But their ancestors were religious, and that religion is part of Vulcan heritage that deserves to be preserved, not as part of history in museums, but in actual engagement and continuiation of practice.

This is a practice that is particularly common among Jews. There is a pretty widespread phenomenon of people who don't believe in God still considering themselves culturally Jewish and will go as far as going to temple every Sabbath and observing the Mitzvot. Given how Leonard Nimoy's Judaism influenced Vulcan culture, I'm all for this.
 
The idea that Vulcans feel everything as fully as we do but just don't show it, that is DEFINITELY in the category of head canon.
 
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