They're not as evil as the Empire, true, but I'd say that the Alliance did enough heinous shit that I feel safe in classifying them as bad guys.
What's in YOUR 'head canon'?
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^ I see. So would you classify the Federation as evil, just because of the existence of Section 31?
Some bits of my hed canon:
The original Enterprise was refit as a publicity stunt/Federation propoganda move (similar to the actual USS Constitution in the Navy today, The Enterprise was almost a living legend by that time, and I'm sure seeing her completely modernized made for great stories for the federation news service. As opposed to her being religated to behind the line roles had she been left behind. She was the ONLY starfleet ship to recieve a complete internal/external refit of that magnitude.)
There is no Borg Queen, they are a collective. Picard was never Locutus, he was just another Drone. The Borg aren't obsessed with Humanity, In fact, I actually think it would have been better if the second Cube attacking Earth had never happened, The Borg haven't been seen since Wolf 359. They are more like the ultimate Boogeyman now, you know if they ever show up again it will be extremely bad, and the alpha quadrant races surviving it are slim. The Borg are out there, they have the information from the wolf 359 cube, but time is irrelivant, they will arrive when they arrive. and all will be Borg.
Romulus is still in one piece, Shinzon never Rose to power, Shinzon was Liqudated (Killed) just like any other tool that was no longer useful when the plan to clone Picard was aborted. The Schimitar was a Romulan weapon developed before the Dominion war as an ultimate deterrent. It was never used and was Dismantled a few years later. Romulan leaders that were more open to interacting with outside races were elected or came to power during the Dominion War. There was an unsuccessful coup by more Militant leaders backed by Tal' Shiar Elements. However most of them managed to escape subsequent arrest and their whereabouts are currently unknown, but it is believed it is only a matter of time before they surface again.
The Klingons are more like the ones depected in John Fords excellent novel "The Final Reflection" If you haven't read it yet I suggest you do.
More if I think of anything.
The original Enterprise was refit as a publicity stunt/Federation propoganda move (similar to the actual USS Constitution in the Navy today, The Enterprise was almost a living legend by that time, and I'm sure seeing her completely modernized made for great stories for the federation news service. As opposed to her being religated to behind the line roles had she been left behind. She was the ONLY starfleet ship to recieve a complete internal/external refit of that magnitude.)
There is no Borg Queen, they are a collective. Picard was never Locutus, he was just another Drone. The Borg aren't obsessed with Humanity, In fact, I actually think it would have been better if the second Cube attacking Earth had never happened, The Borg haven't been seen since Wolf 359. They are more like the ultimate Boogeyman now, you know if they ever show up again it will be extremely bad, and the alpha quadrant races surviving it are slim. The Borg are out there, they have the information from the wolf 359 cube, but time is irrelivant, they will arrive when they arrive. and all will be Borg.
Romulus is still in one piece, Shinzon never Rose to power, Shinzon was Liqudated (Killed) just like any other tool that was no longer useful when the plan to clone Picard was aborted. The Schimitar was a Romulan weapon developed before the Dominion war as an ultimate deterrent. It was never used and was Dismantled a few years later. Romulan leaders that were more open to interacting with outside races were elected or came to power during the Dominion War. There was an unsuccessful coup by more Militant leaders backed by Tal' Shiar Elements. However most of them managed to escape subsequent arrest and their whereabouts are currently unknown, but it is believed it is only a matter of time before they surface again.
The Klingons are more like the ones depected in John Fords excellent novel "The Final Reflection" If you haven't read it yet I suggest you do.
More if I think of anything.
Yet another giblet of wisdom to propound for the head canon:
The Federation uses money. Anyone that says they don't, is wrong. Things just can't work any other way.
So there.
The Federation uses money. Anyone that says they don't, is wrong. Things just can't work any other way.
So there.
Like a crossover between Little House on the Prairie, Bonanza, and Battlestar Galactica (the 1970s version). Among the three of them, you get Michael Landon and Lorne Greene (Charles Ingalls/Little Joe Cartwright and Ben Cartwright/Commander Adama). Actually, many years ago there was some sort of fanfic project called "Battlestar: Ponderosa."
Your education is lacking if you haven't seen Firefly. You should remedy that. Tonight would not be too soon.
Yep. There was a Western episode in which a Cylon was the local sheriff.
There's a weird connection between Star Trek and Firefly.
Nathan Fillion's first major role was as Joey Buchanan in the soap opera One Life to Live (back in the 1990s). His first love affair was with a much older woman - Dorian Lord - his mother's enemy, who wanted to avenge some insult by seducing Viki Buchanan's younger son.
The actress who played Dorian at that time was Robin Strasser, who was married (in RL) to Laurence Luckinbill - who, of course, played Sybok in Star Trek V.
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Wasn't Laurence Luckinbill married to Lucy Arnez (Desi and Lucy's daughter) at one time also?
Talking about connections makes me wonder if there was ever a game on this forum like Six Degrees of Separation. Like where you connect 2 different actors/entertainers by the other things they have been in or their co-stars in other things they have been in.
Yes, you're correct about Laurence Luckinbill.
In another thread here (the "maybe surprising roles") one, I've posted about some of the Star Trek actors who were in Bonanza (Majel Barrett, James Doohan, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, and numerous others).
One reason I decided to watch Babylon 5 was because one of the One Life to Live actors was in it - as the mad Centauri Emperor (played by Wortham Krimmer). On OLTL, he played Reverend Andrew Carpenter. Andrew Carpenter was such a good guy, so it was interesting to see the actor in a role that was basically opposite of that.
No, "Corbomite Maneouver", say, is first and foremost about the first contact with aliens very different and much more powerful than us. We see how it all affects the characters, that's the point, little matters if it doesn't affect people... but the idea is what the episode is about, when Trek is done right, and sticks to its purpose, to bring intelligent SF ideas to a mass popular audience.
"Aliens," are just window dressing. The message/theme of the episode can exist.without them.
Yeah, some of them are reposted on the fanfiction board. My username is LauraCynthia.
My "head-canon" would first have Q look at the various timelines (caused by the Temporal Cold War and the Year of Hell, and others), shake his head, and snap his fingers, effectively merging the timelines into one again...
FLASH!
Basically, I would use a little bit of all the series and movies, streamlining the disconnect a bit. This would also "update" the aesthetics of the technology, based off of REAL WORLD science and technological development. So, for example, stuff like the Eugenics War, the Bell Riots, World War III, Earth's FTL development (i.e. Cochrane's Warp Drive) and "First Contact" with the Vulcans would happen MUCH later (give or take 100 years from what the STAR TREK timeline/chronology depicts). Also, since science and technology has been updated, interstellar travel is possible, but the development of the Warp Drive is still in the early stages. So, travel to Alpha Centauri would still be possible in the 21st century (see: James Cameron's Avatar), but FTL technology using a Warp Drive would be at the early stages, and wouldn't be fully implemented en masse until the early 22nd century (I would have Cochrane be what he was describe as in TOS: "Zephram Cochrane OF Alpha Centauri", with Cochrane being a product of the early colonists/explorers there).
After that, I would have the Warp 4, then Warp 5 projects occur mid-22nd century (ENT, BEY), Earth-Romulan War (the Franklin-class and Enterprise-class ships would be the front line, with a Daedalus-class ship serving as transport/supply and medical during the conflict), then the founding of the UFP takes place. The conflict between the Federation and the Klingons would spur the development of the Constitution-class ship, even though there are Kelvin-class and Aries-class vessels in use (AXANAR) during this time (circa mid-24th century). The Franklin-class and Enterprise-class ships are the first to be officially phased out in favor of the Kelvin-class and Aries-class vessels (and these ships would eventually be phased out in favor of the Miranda-class and the Oberth-class). The Constitution-class would be phased out in favor of the Excelsior-class.
More later...
FLASH!
Basically, I would use a little bit of all the series and movies, streamlining the disconnect a bit. This would also "update" the aesthetics of the technology, based off of REAL WORLD science and technological development. So, for example, stuff like the Eugenics War, the Bell Riots, World War III, Earth's FTL development (i.e. Cochrane's Warp Drive) and "First Contact" with the Vulcans would happen MUCH later (give or take 100 years from what the STAR TREK timeline/chronology depicts). Also, since science and technology has been updated, interstellar travel is possible, but the development of the Warp Drive is still in the early stages. So, travel to Alpha Centauri would still be possible in the 21st century (see: James Cameron's Avatar), but FTL technology using a Warp Drive would be at the early stages, and wouldn't be fully implemented en masse until the early 22nd century (I would have Cochrane be what he was describe as in TOS: "Zephram Cochrane OF Alpha Centauri", with Cochrane being a product of the early colonists/explorers there).
After that, I would have the Warp 4, then Warp 5 projects occur mid-22nd century (ENT, BEY), Earth-Romulan War (the Franklin-class and Enterprise-class ships would be the front line, with a Daedalus-class ship serving as transport/supply and medical during the conflict), then the founding of the UFP takes place. The conflict between the Federation and the Klingons would spur the development of the Constitution-class ship, even though there are Kelvin-class and Aries-class vessels in use (AXANAR) during this time (circa mid-24th century). The Franklin-class and Enterprise-class ships are the first to be officially phased out in favor of the Kelvin-class and Aries-class vessels (and these ships would eventually be phased out in favor of the Miranda-class and the Oberth-class). The Constitution-class would be phased out in favor of the Excelsior-class.
More later...
Of course.Don't forget Chekov as a bad guy...
That's not the only time he played a bad guy in an SF series, though. Once upon a time there was a really bad SF series called The Starlost, about a space ark that had malfunctioned. It was comprised of many different separate biospheres, each cut off from the other, and the people had no idea they were on an ark. Three people from one of them (an Amish/Mennonite sort of community) stumbled on the truth. They became outcast from their own people and decided to try to find the captain and crew of the ark, because the ark was off course and headed not for the planet they were supposed to colonize, but for the star itself.
The Star Trek connection here is threefold: Walter Koenig guest-starred in a couple of episodes as an alien named Oro - wearing a tremendously hideous, bright gold lame jumpsuit.
John Colicos guest-starred in one of the episodes (I don't remember if I saw that one).
The other Star Trek connection is that Harlan Ellison created this show, but became so angry with the continual changes being made that he made them use his "Cordwainer Bird" pseudonym in the credits.
I found you.
I just read "Poor Scotty." And I must say that what little there was of the first chapter intrigued me. There are all kinds of misadventures Scotty could get into back in time. Have you thought of expanding that into a longer-length story?
Nope. I just thought the idea of Scotty unable to help himself was funny. What'd you think of the rest?
I'm currently reading The Star-Crossed, a fictionalised account/parody of the making of The Starlost (right after watching the complete series on Youtube. It is so bad it's almost good) by their former scientific adviser.
No, because DS9 made it abundantly clear that Section 31 was a rogue element of Starfleet, operating on their own volition.
Well, that's getting into major retcon territory, IMO. Not that you couldn't tell an interesting story with that premise, but if Starfleet is secretly rotten to the core, it's not really a Star Trek story any more, is it?Or thats what the controlling interests in SF want you to think....
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