^ Really? Hmm. I thought most Browncoats hated Trek. In this case I'm happy to be wrong. 
What's in YOUR 'head canon'?
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I have seen Firefly, just didn't care for it much.
Although - and here's headcanon again - Nathan Fillion as Garth of Izar in DSC
(I actually hope they do that, BTW. Not only because I think he'd do well as Garth, I also want to see the steam rising from Browncoats' heads at one of their own actors jumping ship to the other side, as it were.)
I'd love that, to watch the Axanards freak out, and I think it would be hilarious if they used the character of Garth on DSC to take morality potshots at AP.
to watch the Axanards freak out, and I think it would be hilarious if they used the character of Garth on DSC to take morality potshots at AP.
Ok, now you lost me... "Axanards"? "AP"?
Just curious, did you ever post links to your stories? Maybe in the fan fiction section. Or what's your user name on Fanfiction.net?
Because I love John M. Ford's The Final Reflection and the FASA continuity, I like to think that both Emperor Kahless and General Kahless were both real people.
I imagine that at some time after the Klingons became space-faring, there was a man named Kahless (in honor of the legendary hero), possibly of the Riskadh line, who served in the Klingon Defense Force. At one point the Empire was fighting a losing battle Boreth system, and the Klingons were suffering heavy losses. The commanding officer of the ship Kahless was serving on ordered the helmsman to retreat, but Kahless challenged him to a duel because of his dishonorable behavior. Kahless won the duel and took command of the ship, and through his great skill he turned the tide of the battle.
When his ship returned Qo'noS (then called Klinzhai), some realized that his story appeared to agree with the story of the promise; a brave and honorable warrior named Kahless had revealed himself in the Boreth system. Some took to believing that this Kahless was a reincarnation of the Emperor Kahless of legend, and although he never rose to the rank of Emperor, he gained great influence on the Klingon Empire's politics and culture, and as General he further spurred the Empire's quest for conquest (thereby "setting the pattern for his planet's tyrannies", as described in The Savage Curtain).
In the final battle that claimed his life, Kahless epetai Riskadh tied his hand to his command chair so that it would be clear to all that he had refused to flee even in the face of certain death. This gave rise to the expression Kahlesste kaase! ("Hand of Kahless!").
I imagine that at some time after the Klingons became space-faring, there was a man named Kahless (in honor of the legendary hero), possibly of the Riskadh line, who served in the Klingon Defense Force. At one point the Empire was fighting a losing battle Boreth system, and the Klingons were suffering heavy losses. The commanding officer of the ship Kahless was serving on ordered the helmsman to retreat, but Kahless challenged him to a duel because of his dishonorable behavior. Kahless won the duel and took command of the ship, and through his great skill he turned the tide of the battle.
When his ship returned Qo'noS (then called Klinzhai), some realized that his story appeared to agree with the story of the promise; a brave and honorable warrior named Kahless had revealed himself in the Boreth system. Some took to believing that this Kahless was a reincarnation of the Emperor Kahless of legend, and although he never rose to the rank of Emperor, he gained great influence on the Klingon Empire's politics and culture, and as General he further spurred the Empire's quest for conquest (thereby "setting the pattern for his planet's tyrannies", as described in The Savage Curtain).
In the final battle that claimed his life, Kahless epetai Riskadh tied his hand to his command chair so that it would be clear to all that he had refused to flee even in the face of certain death. This gave rise to the expression Kahlesste kaase! ("Hand of Kahless!").
Who the hell told you that?!??^ Really? Hmm. I thought most Browncoats hated Trek. In this case I'm happy to be wrong.
In my experience, people who love one of them tend to love them both. My wife and I being fitting examples!
I generally accept everything that's appeared on TV and film as my canon, but I'm kind of loose on the specifics and accept minor retcons.
When Khan recognizes Chekov in TWOK, despite the fact the fact Chekov wasn't in Space Seed, that doesn't bother me - I think it works for the story. Klingons with head ridges appearing in ENT doesn't bother me - I thought it made sense (I didn't feel the explanation given in Season Four was necessary, but I still kind of enjoyed it.) Also I didn't mind the technology in ENT being a modernized interpretation of future technology, and not an attempt to predate TOS.
However, when the Borg and Ferengi appeared in ENT, I about lost my [expletive].
In Discovery, if they use modernized aesthetics, I'd be fine with it. Yeah, try to pay homage to the look of TOS, but I don't think it's necessary to make it look like it's out of the 1960's. Now, if the Romulans appear in Discovery, and the show really is set before TOS as they say it is, I will again lose my [expletive].
And if you think any of this makes me hypercritical, accepting one thing but not accepting another, you're probably right.
When Khan recognizes Chekov in TWOK, despite the fact the fact Chekov wasn't in Space Seed, that doesn't bother me - I think it works for the story. Klingons with head ridges appearing in ENT doesn't bother me - I thought it made sense (I didn't feel the explanation given in Season Four was necessary, but I still kind of enjoyed it.) Also I didn't mind the technology in ENT being a modernized interpretation of future technology, and not an attempt to predate TOS.
However, when the Borg and Ferengi appeared in ENT, I about lost my [expletive].
In Discovery, if they use modernized aesthetics, I'd be fine with it. Yeah, try to pay homage to the look of TOS, but I don't think it's necessary to make it look like it's out of the 1960's. Now, if the Romulans appear in Discovery, and the show really is set before TOS as they say it is, I will again lose my [expletive].
And if you think any of this makes me hypercritical, accepting one thing but not accepting another, you're probably right.
Who the hell told you that?!??
Even though they're near total opposites? FF was always touted as being the "anti-Trek". And of course there's Alan Tudyk's comments to consider (I believe his exact words were, "Star Trek is for pussies")...
Love Trek! Love Firefly!
Who the hell told you that?!??
My wife and I love both as well.
Browncoats Forever!
It's only 14 highly entertaining episodes, an easy binge. I'm going to disagree with @King Daniel Beyond on Serenity, though...it's strictly optional, IMO.
As I recall, this place had a very vocal Browncoat contingent back in the day...such that the show became a touchy subject after it was cancelled.^ Really? Hmm. I thought most Browncoats hated Trek. In this case I'm happy to be wrong.
So, what, enjoying Star Trek means that we can't enjoy a show that's different from Star Trek? That's a weird leap to make.
I like 'em both. Both Star Trek and Firefly have a place in my DVD collection. Heck, I even own Babylon 5.
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Really? You don't think that "the man" in FF deserved to be fought? That's an... interesting interpretation.
I think in FF, they're mostly trying to avoid the man. But it doesn't always work out.
Like I said in another thread, we're conditioned to believe that the Alliance must be your standard black-hat "evil empire", simply because they are not the main characters. But even Joss Whedon said that the Alliance is not completely evil. So it's not as cut-and-dried as, for example, the SW Galactic Empire, is it?
Luckily the spikey engine room didn't make it into further FTL attemptsI don't dismiss any of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT (or any movies, for that matter) but there are other movies/shows I like to think are a part of the Star Trek universe. For example, I consider Event Horizon to be an early attempt at warp drive gone really awry. It fits into the Star Trek timeline, taking place in 2047, so it's before Zefram Cochrane. Plus, I think it's cool to imagine Laurence Fishburne, Jason Isaacs, Sean Pertwee and Sam Neill as being a part of the Star Trek universe
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