America is no more "the world" than the piece of Asia refer to as Europe is a "continent."
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What's Earth like in the 24th Century?
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Than the piece of what Asia refer to a Europe is a what continent?
So you think Picard's family are all freaks? Nice.
Jean-Luc himself sure wouldn't refer to his brother that way.
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So I guess that in the 24th Century, PETA is a legislative body with enforcement authority.
"That kid stepped on a bug. Arrest him! Arrest his family!"
"That kid stepped on a bug. Arrest him! Arrest his family!"
^ Where'd that come from? 
Chief O'Brien said his mother actually served real non-replicated meet while he was growing up, a fact which shocked Keiko.
Trek romanticizes unreplicated food. If you could compare the finest Southern Smoked-Barbecue Chicken from 435,514,397 different restaurants across the Federation and then scan the best one into the replicator system (or the top 500, with 50,000 different prep variations of each), why would that look and taste better than anything hand-prepared? Especially if every one is molecularly designed to be healthier than the average 21st century salad.
It's the old John Henry Folk Story where a man can do a job better than a machine. Oh yeah? 1) John Henry DIED at the end of beating the machine at the one job, and 2) Re-animate him and let's see how he does against a 21st century version of it. Creating a machine that can do a job better than a man should be lauded as a testament to human ingenuity and prosperity, not ever spun into an apocalyptic Frankenstein tale.
And hell, if someone wants to cook by hand, great; they can use healthy* real-tasting replicated meat instead of having some appalling machine bash a cow's brain in a thousand miles away and then buying its mutilated, unrecognizable, flesh at a supermarket.
*And let's remember than poo-poo-ing the idea of health food is fun when you're young, you may not be so quick to when you're decrepit and dying at 60 and your contemporaries are virile and dancing with joy at 120.
Or you can be a tool and use real meat too. Knock yourself out.
It's the old John Henry Folk Story where a man can do a job better than a machine. Oh yeah? 1) John Henry DIED at the end of beating the machine at the one job, and 2) Re-animate him and let's see how he does against a 21st century version of it. Creating a machine that can do a job better than a man should be lauded as a testament to human ingenuity and prosperity, not ever spun into an apocalyptic Frankenstein tale.
And hell, if someone wants to cook by hand, great; they can use healthy* real-tasting replicated meat instead of having some appalling machine bash a cow's brain in a thousand miles away and then buying its mutilated, unrecognizable, flesh at a supermarket.
*And let's remember than poo-poo-ing the idea of health food is fun when you're young, you may not be so quick to when you're decrepit and dying at 60 and your contemporaries are virile and dancing with joy at 120.
Or you can be a tool and use real meat too. Knock yourself out.
Guess I've never bought into the idea that if you can scan something, you can then exactly reproduce it.
Reproduce it to the point where it's the same when in contact with the chemical receptors of the Human tongue. Crusher's failed effort to replicate a alien pharmaceutical, where she had a sample to scan, says just being able to scan something doesn't automatically mean it can be replicated.
I believe that what the replicator produces is a general facsimile, but not identical at the molecular level reproduction. So if you ordered beef or chicken or pork the substance produced would be the physically the same, but with different chemical flavoring.
Commander Riker: "We no longer enslave animals for food".
So for meat, they must be going to the replicator. That most likely means the same for milk, and eggs.
That means either Picard's brother is a vegetarian, or he's getting his meat from hunting (outlawed?) or the "black market".
Hunting for pleasure is probably outlawed or looked down upon.
Replicators come with a huge computer memory, so you can probably order over 50 different varieties of smoked barbecue chicken anyway.
So for meat, they must be going to the replicator. That most likely means the same for milk, and eggs.
That means either Picard's brother is a vegetarian, or he's getting his meat from hunting (outlawed?) or the "black market".
Hunting for pleasure is probably outlawed or looked down upon.
Replicators come with a huge computer memory, so you can probably order over 50 different varieties of smoked barbecue chicken anyway.
Well, to be fair, Riker said they didn't enslave animals for food. He didn't say they don't RAISE animals for food. Could just mean that the process is a lot more humane in Trek's time, for those who prefer real food.
As for milk or eggs? Those are hardly lethal processes even in our present. Why would anyone object to that (on moral grounds) in the 24th century?
As for milk or eggs? Those are hardly lethal processes even in our present. Why would anyone object to that (on moral grounds) in the 24th century?
That was a direct quote from him in "Lonely among us".
If 24th century humans consider keeping animals in a certain space enslavement, then they might think the same thing about keeping chickens in a coop just to collect eggs.
Or a cow just to obtain milk from it.
Based on the wording Riker used, I don't think they see it in a favorable light anymore.
If 24th century humans consider keeping animals in a certain space enslavement, then they might think the same thing about keeping chickens in a coop just to collect eggs.
Or a cow just to obtain milk from it.
Based on the wording Riker used, I don't think they see it in a favorable light anymore.
Yet he uses "Owon" eggs acquired from Starbase 73 to use for breakfast in "Time Squared". I think it's safe to say that not all humans think the same way in the 24th century.
When anyone on the shows says "we" I do wonder how big a group constitutes this "we." Every last person within the Federation, up to a trillion? All Humans? Or, a relatively small group that the speaker identifies with?
As observed, Sisko father serves real shell fish
Picard keeps a supply of real caviar, Humans do still eat animal products.
Aboard a starship on a long voyage a replicator makes a lot of sense, you're in a enclosed, isolated environment. On the surface of a planet, while replicators are apparently available, so would be other sources of food.
Or he openly raises his own animals, or he buys meat from the butcher shop in the village.
I believe Riker mentions fishing when he was a youth in Alaska.
But is the "smoked barbecue chicken" going to taste like smoked barbecue chicken?
I take it for granted that a replicator can't produce the meat from a unblemished, one year old male lamb.
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Espaco, why wouldn't it taste like real smoked barbecue chicken? And why wouldn't a replicator be able to reproduce "unblemished, one year old male lamb"?
The idea behind Trek's level of technological sophistication is that they can scan and reproduce materials at the molecular level. Unless your tongue has a tricorder cybernetically attached to it somewhere, you shouldn't be able to identify subatomic differences between real and replicated food.
In fact, replicated food should taste far better than natural food. The fruit we buy at the supermarket and the animals we breed were selected among many of their kin for the way they taste to us. We've always done this; ages ago ranchers bred meatier cows to produce ones with more meat to sell. Today we try to modify food to taste better and be healthier as well.
In Trek, if they could build food at the molecular level, they could more than just copy real food, but copy the best parts of it only and making each bite equally amazing. More, they could design impossibly lean, juicy, succulent meat that would take 1000 selective-breedings to reproduce naturally.
Maybe that's why people can taste differences between real and replicated food: the "real" thing, unnervingly, doesn't taste quite as good.
Star Trek's theme is that natural is preferred whenever possible, and therefore real food is better than replicated. Just the way it is.
I'm not buying that replicated/3D printed is not as good as natural. I don't even understand the logic of that. Even two natural apples, steaks or cheeses is not identical on a sub atomic level, but they can taste equally yummy.
And with replicated it's safer to eat, no animal needed to be raised for slaughter, and you can design it to be exactly what you want.
And with replicated it's safer to eat, no animal needed to be raised for slaughter, and you can design it to be exactly what you want.
It's just a point of the show to state that, even though the 24th century has all these wonderful amenities, the technology is still not perfect.
I seem to remember a young Jaffa who saw the way things were and yet dared to dream of a way they might be!
Which I don't believe is what's happening, other wise they would also be able to make pharmaceuticals at the molecular level, which apparently they can't. This is why they have to run infected little boys to Starbases and have to negotiate for drugs when they already possess samples.
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