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What you can deduce from these spoilers on the Dexter Season 4 finale?

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Anyone catch the season finale of Californication the lead in to Dexter ? (I think lead in). Showtime has a great partnership there and am glad both are back in 2010 with there 4th & 5th seasons.

Dexter was the lead in to Californication.

Eastern Time....

Dexter 9pm
Californication - 10pm
Californication - 10:30pm
Dexter - 11pm
 
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While mentioning the grandparents was a bit of a heads-up, I really didn't think they'd go there, just have things deteriorate between them and Rita go and stay with them for a while. I thought it was a possibility but not really. Now the books abd the TV series will veer even more widley apart (and just when the books had Rita having a baby).

Will Deb be suspicious? Hard to say right now.

Quinn as Doakes. Maybe.

Trinity did Rita. His style all over it. Wanted Dexter to know.

Dexter's going to be crazed with grief. He let Arthur live when he jumped weeks earlier. He brought it down on himself.

Next season is going to be very different. This is not a bad thing.
 
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Wow. Even though it was predictable, Rita's death was still emotionally powerful. (Who else was yelling at Dex when he walked in the house, "Just grab your shit and go! Do not check messages, do not answer the frakkin' phone!!!" :rommie:)
So how do you guys see season 5 starting?
Dexter won't cover up Rita's murder - there's no reason to. The cops will have security footage of Trinity waltzing into the precinct and speaking with Dexter, who will look like he was just trying to redirect a lost tourist. From that, it's easy to conclude that Trinity was looking for a victim among the people at the precinct and perhaps picked Dexter at random. He looked up Dexter's home address and killed whoever he found there.

Having Rita suddenly go missing would be far, far more suspicious for Dexter than the notion of her being the Trinity killer's final strike at the Miami PD. And I can't imagine Dexter allowing Astor and Cody to think their mother abandoned them. He'll want to give them the closure of a funeral.

I still think they might dabble in the notion of Dexter being suspected in Rita's murder. There's still the unresolved plotline of Masuka knowing that the Morgans were having marriage trouble and the neighbor knowing about Dexter's violent streak. The neighbor (Elliot is his name I think?) was in love with Rita and will be anguished at her murder. He will target Dexter as the "obvious" killer - using a Trinity copycat murder to cover up killing Rita in a jealous rage.

Elliot may not be able to convince the cops to investigate Dexter, but if he's determined and vengeful enough, he might just turn up some interestingly odd information about Dexter not directly related to Rita's murder.

Then again, sometimes the writers set up little plot elements at the end of one season and forget about them the next. That might be Elliot's fate.

Astor and Cody will be gone from the show for now - they'll live with the conveniently introduced grandparents. Dexter won't be able to bear living in the suburban house so he'll move back into his condo with Harrison. Maybe Deb will be there, too, like at the beginning of S2 when Dexter was taking care of her after the ITK.

Dexter will have to seriously question whether he can have anyone in his life - even Harrison (but where else does he go? I hope the writers forget Rita has a mother because I don't want Dex to have an easy out.) Doakes' dire predictions that Dexter will end up hurting someone he loves has come true (as I figured they had to - Doakes' dialogue had a Cassandra element to it.) If Dexter had surrendered to Doakes, Rita would be alive. Seeing him exposed as a killer would be less devastating for Rita, Astor and Cody than what has happened.

And keep in mind, everyone but Dexter will think Trinity escaped. Deb will be determined to track down Rita's killer, which means investigating Trinity's history while the rest of the precinct assumes he fled the country and will never be seen again. All it would take would be for Deb to interview Arthur's family and have one of them recognize Dexter's photo. It could be that same damn bowling photo at the precinct. Dexter better steal that and burn it. Or it could be a photo in Deb's wallet. Once Deb realizes that Dexter was paying visits to the Mitchell home while everyone was searching for Trinity - good gort! :eek:

I can see two ways Dexter can respond to this- he can either go off the deep end, or he can try to reign in the dark passenger in the spirit of what Rita might have wanted.
I think the purpose of killing off Rita is to force Dexter off the deep end, which is what they have to do for the final season. What I cannot figure out is how anything even remotely resembling a happy ending can be cobbled out of this horrific situation. Dexter has proven to himself that as long as the Dark Passenger is within him, he cannot allow himself normal human relationships. But there's no way to change that situation that stays true to the character.

I'm really puzzled how they plan to resolve this, and I don't want it to be tragic - Dexter being exposed, committing suicide, or cutting off all human ties. I want Astor and Cody to come back to live with their Dad and little brother, with Aunt Deb to help raise them. How the frak this could ever happen is beyond me. I hope it's not beyond the writers.
Someone by the end of next season, which I do not believe will be the last, will find out about Dexter.
I think Deb could find out a lot of the truth truth in S5 - specifically that Dexter kills "bad guys" but maybe not so much the reasons behind it - and keep quiet about it - especially if Dexter's murder of Trinity is the first murder she finds out about (and assumes it was revenge.) After that, it's a slipperly slope - if she condones one killing, why not condone them all? And her loyalty to Dex will be magnified after such a devastating loss.

S6 could be Deb slowly realizing that Dexter is truly the monster he says he is, yet unwilling to just turn him in. And that could be an incredible season.

But this won't work if Deb finds out that Dex was pussyfooting around with Trinity which led to Rita's death. So how about a mechanic at the Mustang repair place? We didn't see how Dexter sabotaged the Mustang. Maybe he wasn't as unseen as he thinks. The cops will trace Arthur's Mustang to that repair place and presumably find it abandoned on the side of the road. All it takes is one guy who saw Dexter.

If that one guy goes to the cops and reports what he saw to Deb, her natural assumption would be that Dexter discovered Rita earlier than he let on; sabotaged the Mustang to get Trinity where he could be easily killed; and then disposed of him. Would Deb rat Dexter out if she assumed that was the sequence of events? I don't think so.

Harrison sitting in all that blood was clearly supposed to mirror Dexters own trauma, and it looked too staged to be a coincidence. But how did Trinity know about that?
I think that was a metaphor - Trinity might not have put Harrison on the floor there. Could have crawled in on his own. A "coincidence" like that is okay for artistic reasons. Also, he's too young to be traumatized in the same way Dexter was, so I certainly hope they don't take that further than metaphor.
 
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You are missing the fact that the police don't know who Trinity is.
 
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You are missing the fact that the police don't know who Trinity is.

They don't? They busted down his door and took his family off for questioning/protective custody and made his wife throw up by showing her photos of Trinity's kills. They figured out who Arthur was by digging up a victim at one of his housing sites.

They can figure out what Arthur looks like. There will be pictures of him in the house, school, etc. Then someone will remember seeing him at the precinct and they'll check the security footage. Which won't necessarily be suspicious for Dexter since he might have just come out of his office because he saw a lost tourist who didn't belong there.

It's possible that the FBI taking over the case will mean that nobody at the precinct actually get to the point of finding out what Arthur looks like, but frankly I'd hope that there would be better interagency hand-off procedures than that. Who knows how it happens in real life?

But here's something that might make things sticky for Dexter - he was killing Trinity not long after Trinity murdered Rita. So what's Dexter's alibi for that time? Add to that the fact that Dexter was acting like a lunatic previously, punching Quinn, driving dangerously through traffic, picking a fight with the sherrifs and getting thrown in jail.

It's very easy to construct a damaging story out of that: Dexter and Rita are having martial problems. That's why Dexter was on edge. Then Rita has to pick him up in jail. That just makes things worse. The kids leave for the weekend - no witnesses. Rita ends up dead, maybe by accident. Dexter panics and remembering the Trinity case, stages the death to place the blame on Trinity.

The one thing Dexter better not do is just report Rita missing. The first suspect whenever a woman goes missing is always the husband/boyfriend. And working in law enforcement, he should know that.
 
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HAHAHA

Me stupid, you are so right I wasn't think. :lol:
 
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I don't think it'll be Deb, it'll be Quinn.

The first question he'll ask is "Why was Trinity's kill cycle interrupted? What happened to him after he killed Rita?" He'll look at Dex, make enquiries with Deb, find out about Laura Moser, and therefore Dex's brother. From there he'll build a case that isn't absolutely verifiable, but he'll know. He'll be like Doakes. They'll go head to head.

That's my prediction.
 
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If it's only Quinn then it's like a "who cares?", it needs to be Deb too.
 
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If Quinn found out then he would tell Deb's and then what would happen ? would Deb kill to save her own brother ?
 
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Oh! The other reason I thought Quinn will start looking at Dex (though this applies to Deb as well), is Stan The Man being a distraction - who knows forensics well enough to plant the evidence to distract the poilice long enough for Trinity to get away? Trinity himself didn't (though knew enough to cove his tracks).

One thing confuses me, I must have missed a big chunk admittedly. How did Trinity's family die? Did he do it, and the boy at the start of the cycle was him killing himself by suffocation? Or was he killing himself, in effect, on the last happy day he remembers, before his family were all taken from him?
 
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One thing confuses me, I must have missed a big chunk admittedly. How did Trinity's family die? Did he do it, and the boy at the start of the cycle was him killing himself by suffocation? Or was he killing himself, in effect, on the last happy day he remembers, before his family were all taken from him?

You missed a HUGE episode. :lol:

He was checking out his sister in the shower, she freaked out, broke the shower glass and bled to death. It's why the deaths are in tubs. Everyone blamed him and that's when he "died", that's why he kills little boys to perverse their boyhood. His mother then was so depressed she jumped off a building, and the father died some time. I can't remember that part.
 
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And it ends with Deb poisoning Dexter. :lol:
 
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One thing confuses me, I must have missed a big chunk admittedly. How did Trinity's family die? Did he do it, and the boy at the start of the cycle was him killing himself by suffocation? Or was he killing himself, in effect, on the last happy day he remembers, before his family were all taken from him?

You missed a HUGE episode. :lol:

He was checking out his sister in the shower, she freaked out, broke the shower glass and bled to death. It's why the deaths are in tubs. Everyone blamed him and that's when he "died", that's why he kills little boys to perverse their boyhood. His mother then was so depressed she jumped off a building, and the father died some time. I can't remember that part.
Trinity's father was his first kill.
 
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^

People didn't pay attention.

She comments that the moon is going to be beautiful that night, not that it was in the present tense. She just knew that it was going to be full that night. It's still contrived for the emotional moment, but there is not a time paradox.

Trinity drove so long that day turned into night. With the amount of blood lose Rita had, by evidence of the tub full and spilling over onto the floor, one would think by the night she'd be at least a little blue in skin tone.

I think we're just all assuming Trinity did it.


I posted this elsewhere:
A show like this could lasty, what? Maybe six or seven seasons before it comes to a natural conclusion, and I think we all know the final season would involve Dexter on the run after being discovered in the finale of the previous, so this season maybe indeed be a turning point. Things are going to happen.



Dexter was so side tracked in his life, he left behind too much, and other things were out of control.

  • Debra is goign to remember Dexter was there before any of them.
  • Eventually, when talking to Trinity's family, the name Kyle Butler is going to come up, then they are goign to find Kyle Butler murdered. And to say nothing about one of the family being in Homicide and seeing Dexter and saying "That's Kyle!".
  • Angel saw Dexter talking to Trinity. That's an immediat thing that, unless the writers are so quick to forget, will come up. Why would Dexter be talking to Trinity, and why was Trinity in hte police station? Fucking serious questions are coming Dexter's way! Add to that, that if it is found out he was Kyle Butler, Maria and Angel may start to piece things together, and with her research showing it wasn't possible for Doakes to have done the Bay Habor Butcher killings...
  • Dexter went to jail the same day his wife died. And take into account something like that would probably be reported to Maria, and that Dexter lied and said he was going to a crime scene ... there will be questions about what exactly Dexter was doing.
  • Add to that that Quinn is for some reason following around Dexter, and that Dexter hit him ... things just aren't looking good for Dexter this year.
 
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And it ends with Deb poisoning Dexter. :lol:

By cooking for him. Ugh! Poor Dex, bad case of food poisoning. Next time, send Deb for Chinese take-out.
I think we're just all assuming Trinity did it.
True enough. I'm still wondering why the writers bothered to introduce the notion that Rita had a husband before Paul. Did they just forget about it, or...?

Anyway! I'm going to fill the void in my life till Sept by rewatching S1 and S2 and maybe some of S3 too. I'm sure there will be a lot of stuff that has even greater kick-in-the-gut factor now than it did the first time around - like that episode that ended with Dexter, Rita and the kids at a birthday party where Dexter decides to just enjoy this magical existence until it inevitably is destroyed at some dark point in the future. Or Doakes trying to convince Dexter to give himself up for the good of his loved ones. Or Dexter's beautiful proposal to Rita, which was funny-sick because he cribbed it from the rantings of a stalker who murdered the object of her affections - way too close to how things turned out for Dexter and Rita - but the worst will be Dexter mentioning the lemon tree they tried to grow, that always died. A perfect metaphor for the lost cause that is Dexter Morgan.

Debra is goign to remember Dexter was there before any of them.
Debra should remember when she was a teenager and her dad was dying in the hospital and told the both of them to look out for each other and specifically gave Dexter a lecture about the urges that would soon overwhelm him, and that's when he needed to depend on his sister as the only person in the world he can trust. Deb might not have had a clue what Dad was blathering about then, but there's no way that she doesn't remember that moment. She thought her father was giving them his last instructions. She's repressed it because the implications are too creepy, but damn it, with everything that's happened since then, there's no other explanation: she knows! She just doesn't want to.

Eventually, when talking to Trinity's family, the name Kyle Butler is going to come up, then they are goign to find Kyle Butler murdered. And to say nothing about one of the family being in Homicide and seeing Dexter and saying "That's Kyle!".
If nobody remembers seeing the guy who is later id'ed as Trinity, walzing around the precinct that day, which they can confirm via security cameras, they are the stupidest bunch of cops in the world. :rommie: Then again, they go to work every day with a serial killer right under their nose so anything's possible I guess.

Why would Dexter be talking to Trinity, and why was Trinity in hte police station?
Dexter wouldn't necessarily be in trouble. This is how Angel or anyone else could easily see things:

Trinity fakes his way into the station to find a cop to take revenge on. Dexter notices a "lost tourist" and being public spirited, goes out to direct him back to his tour group. They chat about whatever. Trinity is just trying to look at Dexter's id, and Dexter is just being the nice, friendly guy that he's known to be around the station house. As a result, Dexter's wife is murdered, just because he was trying to be helpful. Everyone will be incredibly sympathetic. Even Quinn will have to STFU about Dexter. For a while, anyway...

Dexter went to jail the same day his wife died.
And he punched Quinn, and he was driving like a maniac in traffic. That tells a different tale: That Dexter and Rita were fighting and maybe he killed her later in a domestic quarrel. Then he used what he knew about the Trinity killings to divert suspicion away from himself. Add to that Elliot, who will flip out when he hears Rita was murdered, and will jump to the conclusion that Dexter, the jealous husband with the violent streak, did it. Elliot will kick up shit at the station house but no one will believe him - because Dexter will be the object of sympathy, not suspicion - except maybe for Quinn.

So we have two competely divergent interpretations of the events, neither of which get close to the truth, but both of which seem very plausible. This show is turning into Rashomon!
 
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And all directions lead to one way: things aren't going to be so rosey for everybody's favorite serial killer in the near future. But that shoudl make the show a rollercoaster, like Season 2 -- maybe mroe intense.
 
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S2 is my favorite season but S5 could blow it right out of the water! :eek:

Okay! Is it September yet? :rommie:
 
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^ I'm working on the time machine but the minivan just doesn't work as well as other cars! :)
 
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Another small thing that could come into play at some point was that Dexter was arrested exactly where Trinity did his money withdrawal.
 
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