What would you change about 'Star Trek: Generations' if you could?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Citiprime, Jun 6, 2022.

  1. Summer Solstice

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    Those three restrictions are pretty restrictive actually. I like your idea. I think it's necessary to establish that you leave the Nexus at the time and in the place when you entered it because otherwise there's either a massive plot hole or it's a rehash of "Tapestry" (which is an excellent episode, but the idea has already been done).

    I really love that idea. I think Star Trek XI used Leonard Nimoy's character in an interesting way that really worked.
     
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  2. Danlav05

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    if you replace the Klingons, with the Romulans Spock would be brought in a diplomatic role YES!
     
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  3. ScottJ85

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    I'll let better writers than me figure out the details :)
     
  4. suarezguy

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    Most crossovers feel at least a little contrived and generally also otherwise lacking.

    To me it's kind of interesting that Generations is, admits it is, epilogue to Kirk and the original series, having just Kirk makes sense with that, with TUC being a strong farewell but still wanting to do a crossover it makes sense to me to, if you do want to/have to do a crossover, bring back pretty much only one of the previous cast (rather than try to give new endings to Kirk and Spock or more).
     
  5. ScottJ85

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    I don't think what we got was bad, exactly, but it definitely could have been better.
     
  6. RandyS

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    Don't kill Kirk. Don't destroy the Enterprise-D.

    Change is never a good thing.
     
  7. STEPhon IT

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    I really don't believe that was the case. The lighting scheme was designed specifically for the stunts and destruction we would see later on the bridge. I think the coordinators required more room or action space for men and women to leap off consoles as the sparks and fog machines do their thing.
     
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    I am... dubious that was the case.
     
  9. Mrs. Silvercrest

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    At the very end after credits maybe, see Kirk alive and well in the Nexis.
     
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    Maybe cleaning his saddle again, in anticipation of shore leave when the Enterprise is diverted.
     
  11. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    I would have kept the emotion chip away from the whole story.
     
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  12. Haggis and tatties

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    I would make sure everything was installed on Monday. ;)
     
  13. Citiprime

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    It comes out of nowhere in the story too. They don’t have an event or moment act as the justification for Data choosing to install it. They just have Data and Geordi stare at, say a few lines, and then go for it.
     
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  14. DonIago

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    Hm? The justification is Data failing to get the joke and pushing Beverly over the side of the ship.

    It's just debatable whether that's good justification.
     
  15. Mojochi

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    This is my big problem with the movie too, but I kind of have a polar opposite approach for how it should be looked at
    The whole Nexus thing is utterly misrepresented from what they were depicting imho. They claim it's some ultimate fantasy fulfillment, from which no one would ever want to leave, when clearly all it did was take its occupants' current thoughts and extrapolate from them.

    They kill off Picard's family earlier, just so they can make him preoccupied with his family's future, & create a reason for that fantasy. It's not his ultimate fulfillment, which we already know to be captaining a starship. It's what was on his mind at the time. The same is true of Kirk. When he went in, he was feeling put out to pasture, a relic. So, he is literally jumping a horse in a pasture, & realizing it doesn't fulfill him anymore. He was most preoccupied with going & being home, so he could tell his woman he was unsatisfied, & needed to go back to Starfleet where he IS fulfilled, & somehow, he's been stuck in a loop of getting that moment... for ages now.

    The Nexus isn't an Eden of fantasy fulfillment. It's a mind-reading "Groundhog Day" hellscape, that is probably some telepathic entity's way of keeping its occupants in some form of frozen perpetual contentment, based solely on a cursory scanning of their initial thoughts, likely so it can derive some kind of benefit from that contentment it has rendered in them.

    Now consider both Guinan & Soren, who'd been recently ripped from the Nexus, after only a short time of getting caught in it, on an evac from their world, which had been decimated by Borg. Those 2 had lost everything & everyone, like very recently, & the Nexus read them pining for it, in their current thoughts, & gave it to them. OF COURSE they didn't want to leave.

    So there's really nothing wrong with the depiction of the Nexus. It's a perfectly sound Star Trek concept. They just misrepresented it entirely. Its nature needed to be made much clearer to the viewer imho. That & it needed to clean up the timey wimey stuff too
     
  16. Mres_was_framed!

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    How long had the El-Aurians been traveling? They were being carried in Federation ships of some kind, and yet it would be nearly 80 years before the Federation encountered the Borg. Did they travel for 100 years before the Federation gave them aid? 1000 years? Had the destruction just occurred not long before the movie and this was the early contact with that species?
     
  17. Mojochi

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    Well, Guinan herself had been ON Earth in the 19th century. So some level of covert interaction had been going on for a long time. I'd imagine they're near enough to not require numerous years to reach Earth. She's also claimed to not have been on her world when the Borg devastated it, nor would I imagine any of the 415 El-Aurian refugees were either, which is how they're survived. It does seem as though they were on route away from the Borg attack crisis. I always assumed this is how Soren lost his family, & Guinan probably had similar befall her.

    The ships were actually El-Aurian ships. So, it's possible they were journeying for any length of time, before getting caught up in the Nexus, & while their ships began to break apart, they benefitted from its effects, a lot of whom probably still missing the lost loved ones, & experiencing fantasies of them