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What would really happen in a voyager-like scenario?

The Federation moved the border.

Dozens (hundreds?) of Federation worlds were put into a near lawless demilitarized Zone or out right into Cardassian Space, under the rule & protection of Cardassian law.

At first we are told that the Maquis are mostly farmers, but really, who the frakk are they farming for? Although the city dwellers would probably have opted to hop on the reversecolony ships and retreat back to Federation space. It takes a lot more than farmers to make a successful colony, but farmers would be the most likely to stay after the flags change.

Then it became political. Kim was the editor of the Starfleet Academy Newspaper, where he begun an honest conversation about the Maquis. Which means that people that had no skin in the game started getting involved. Starfleet Officers signed up because it was the right thing to do, and other persons, administrators, governors, quartermasters, diverted resources and weapons to the Maquis which was a horribly illegal thing to do.

Now here's the weird bit. Once it actually became about killing as many Cardassians as possible, psychopaths who can get the job done were needed, who did not care a lick about politics or nationalism. They only wore the flag as a brand new opportunity to whack spoonheads in bulk. Or at least that's how B'Elanna explained Lon Suder, because Voyager's writers room had never seen anything on TNG or DS9 about the Maquis.

Idiots.
 
The Maquis been around for less than a year when VOY started, so Kim couldn't have been doing the Academy newsletter about them then and still be in the junior level he was.
 
NEELIX: Frosting?
KIM: Deck four. Recipes, music, jugglers. It's sort of like a steady diet of dessert, which is fine, but pretty soon you want some meat and potatoes.
NEELIX: You do?
KIM: When I was in school, I was editor of the Academy newspaper for a year. I monitored subspace transmissions. I got reports on some of the first activity by the Maquis against the Cardassians. I wrote an editorial about it, and the students became polarised on the issue. They debated the pros and cons, and gained an insight into the entire history of the political rebellion. Now, that's the power of journalism.
NEELIX: What did your professors say when you told them you were going to publish the editorial?
KIM: I didn't tell them. It's the job of a journalist to be independent.
CREWWOMAN [OC]: Bridge to Mister Neelix. You have an incoming transmission.
NEELIX: I'm heading for my quarters. Put it through there.
CREWWOMAN [OC]: Yes, sir.

Voyager was his first assignment. A month earlier, 3 months earlier, if he had a vacation before real duty started, Harry was at the Academy. If Kim was editor in his third or fourth year, that would have completely overlapped with the Origins of the Maquis.

But lets examine this, Kim was an Editor/journalist who cut his teeth on the Maquis. They are his people. They made his career. He is an expert on the Maquis. He is a Maquis groupie fanboy...

Um? I don't remember seeing that.
 
The Maquis been around for less than a year when VOY started, so Kim couldn't have been doing the Academy newsletter about them then and still be in the junior level he was.

Well, Voyager rewrote borg history, then why not the maquis' as well?
 
Chain of Command, half way through TNG season 6 (2367) is when the Cardassians were forced to sign a treaty that signalled the official necessity for resistance by the disenfranchised human beings living in the freshly ascribed demilitarized Zone. A year later Picard is moving space Indians to a new planet in Journeys End to avoid Cardassian Rule, and then there's Pre-Emptive Strike where the Admiralty finally explains to Picard what a Maquis is, and Picard becomes Eskimo Buddies with Riker through Ro. Later they would be Eskimo Brothers if All Good Things is to be believed, since Riker sat back and enjoyed a Threesome with Bev and a slug in season four.

Sito Jaxa from lower Decks? Did that have anything to do with the situation?

Regardless, the Cardassians were arming their farmers in TNG Season 4 (The Wounded) and Starfleet was arming their farmers right back, who were fighting a third party war quite well for nearly 3 years before Jellico moved the border. The names may have changed but both conflicts would have had a lot of the same faces before and after the signing of the treaty in 2367 and/or the founding of the Maquis before 2370.
 
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Chain of Command, half way through TNG season 6 (2367) is when the Cardassians were forced to sign a treaty that signalled the official necessity for resistance by the disenfranchised human beings living in the freshly ascribed demilitarized Zone. A year later Picard is moving space Indians to a new planet in Journeys End to avoid Cardassian Rule, and then there's Pre-Emptive Strike where the Admiralty finally explains to Picard what a Maquis is, and Picard becomes Eskimo Buddies with Riker through Ro.
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To be fair she only did it figuratively to Picard...

Later they would be Eskimo Brothers if All Good Things is to be believed, since Riker sat back and enjoyed a Threesome with Bev and a slug in season four.

It was the Trill or a lifetime...
 
Given Chakotay's willingness to defend Janeway early on, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a negotiation off-screen in Caretaker where he agreed to sell the idea of coming aboard Voyager to his crew in return for Janeway promising them some form of amnesty or pardon if they returned to the Alpha Quadrant.
 
Given Chakotay's willingness to defend Janeway early on, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a negotiation off-screen in Caretaker where he agreed to sell the idea of coming aboard Voyager to his crew in return for Janeway promising them some form of amnesty or pardon if they returned to the Alpha Quadrant.

I don't think it was at Janeway's discretion to grant that kind of pardon.
 
Starfleet Captains have the authority of a full Ambassador according to Trip in Enterprise.

Which is a stupid thing to say since Earth hadn't met anyone yet except the Vulcans.

If a Captain makes a bad deal, invalidating that deal would undermine everyone else in the entire fleet with the rank of Captain. What's more likely to happen to a Captain who makes a bad deal is that they will lose their ship and no longer in a position to make any further new deals. Most Captains do not have ships, and most Captains who do have ships are not in a position of making first contact with an alien species ever.

Life Line Season 6.

(Doorbell.)
JANEWAY: Come in.
CHAKOTAY: Good morning. Problem?
JANEWAY: I haven't decided. I've just listened to a communiqué from Admiral Hayes.
CHAKOTAY: Nice to have friends in high places.
ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: Hello, Captain. I hope this message finds you well. From what I understand, it has not been easy, but I want you to know that a lot of people here are very proud of what you've accomplished. I also want to assure you that we have not given up finding a way to get you home. We've redirected two deep space vessels toward your position. If all goes well, they could rendezvous with you in the next five to six years.
JANEWAY: Computer, advance to time index one twenty one point four.
ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: As we get closer and our conversations become more frequent. When you respond to this message, please let us know of any casualties. I'm sure you've had more than your share. I'm anxious to know the status of your crew, the Maquis, first contacts that you've made, interactions with the Borg. But there'll be time for everything. Our thoughts are with you. Talk to you soon.
CHAKOTAY: What?
JANEWAY: Status of the Maquis.
CHAKOTAY: Do you find that surprising?
JANEWAY: I don't think of you or B'Elanna or the others as Maquis. I think of you as part of my crew.
CHAKOTAY: You may have forgotten, but we haven't. You heard the Admiral. It'll be years before we have to deal with those issues. Let's worry about it then.
JANEWAY: Do you have lunch plans?
CHAKOTAY: Is that an invitation?
JANEWAY: I was hoping you'd help me compose a response.
CHAKOTAY: You're on.
Janeway had nothing in play to exonerate her terrorist scum crew or the Equinox 5. It's actually possible that their slave labour like punishment detail the Equinox 5 was toiling under was having no impact on paying for their crimes against decency.

I still wonder if any of them worked their way out of Janeway's hole like Paris did?
 
Starfleet Captains have the authority of a full Ambassador according to Trip in Enterprise.

Which is a stupid thing to say since Earth hadn't met anyone yet except the Vulcans.

If a Captain makes a bad deal, invalidating that deal would undermine everyone else in the entire fleet with the rank of Captain. What's more likely to happen to a Captain who makes a bad deal is that they will lose their ship and no longer in a position to make any further new deals. Most Captains do not have ships, and most Captains who do have ships are not in a position of making first contact with an alien species ever.

Life Line Season 6.

(Doorbell.)
JANEWAY: Come in.
CHAKOTAY: Good morning. Problem?
JANEWAY: I haven't decided. I've just listened to a communiqué from Admiral Hayes.
CHAKOTAY: Nice to have friends in high places.
ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: Hello, Captain. I hope this message finds you well. From what I understand, it has not been easy, but I want you to know that a lot of people here are very proud of what you've accomplished. I also want to assure you that we have not given up finding a way to get you home. We've redirected two deep space vessels toward your position. If all goes well, they could rendezvous with you in the next five to six years.
JANEWAY: Computer, advance to time index one twenty one point four.
ADMIRAL HAYES [on monitor]: As we get closer and our conversations become more frequent. When you respond to this message, please let us know of any casualties. I'm sure you've had more than your share. I'm anxious to know the status of your crew, the Maquis, first contacts that you've made, interactions with the Borg. But there'll be time for everything. Our thoughts are with you. Talk to you soon.
CHAKOTAY: What?
JANEWAY: Status of the Maquis.
CHAKOTAY: Do you find that surprising?
JANEWAY: I don't think of you or B'Elanna or the others as Maquis. I think of you as part of my crew.
CHAKOTAY: You may have forgotten, but we haven't. You heard the Admiral. It'll be years before we have to deal with those issues. Let's worry about it then.
JANEWAY: Do you have lunch plans?
CHAKOTAY: Is that an invitation?
JANEWAY: I was hoping you'd help me compose a response.
CHAKOTAY: You're on.
Janeway had nothing in play to exonerate her terrorist scum crew or the Equinox 5. It's actually possible that their slave labour like punishment detail the Equinox 5 was toiling under was having no impact on paying for their crimes against decency.

I still wonder if any of them worked their way out of Janeway's hole like Paris did?


I still think that Tom Paris should have gotten in much more trouble for violating the prime directive. I mean it's not called the PRIME directive for nothing, is it?
 
I got reports on some of the first activity by the Maquis against the Cardassians. I wrote an editorial about it
Kim was an Editor/journalist who cut his teeth on the Maquis. They are his people. They made his career. He is an expert on the Maquis. He is a Maquis groupie fanboy.
Your assuming that Harry's editorial was positive toward the Marquis?

He could have raked the Marquis over the coals viciously. This is what sparked debate.

:)
 
You mean like how (Publisher) J. Jonah Jameson reams Spider-Man on every front page of the Daily Bugle?

A few years ago, Peter's Aunt May married J. Jonah Jameson's father.

Peter was legally the son of May and Ben after Richard and Mary died, even though he still called them Aunt and Uncle.

(You understand right?)

On paper, Spider-Man and J. Jonah Jameson are siblings.

:D

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An editorial is about expressing a point of view, rather than the unbiased dispassionate factual writing that a news reporter is expected to deliver.

If Kim is to be believed, the campus only had one opinion on the Maquis until he created dissension and doubt... But you're right, we cannot be absolutely positive what the student body thought before Harry's intoxicating cult of personality ignited a civil war in academia.
 
You mean like how (Publisher) J. Jonah Jameson reams Spider-Man on every front page of the Daily Bugle?

A few years ago, Peter's Aunt May married J. Jonah Jameson's father.

Peter was legally the son of May and Ben after Richard and Mary died, even though he still called them Aunt and Uncle.

(You understand right?)

On paper, Spider-Man and J. Jonah Jameson are siblings.

:D

...

An editorial is about expressing a point of view, rather than the unbiased dispassionate factual writing that a news reporter is expected to deliver.

If Kim is to be believed, the campus only had one opinion on the Maquis until he created dissension and doubt... But you're right, we cannot be absolutely positive what the student body thought before Harry's intoxicating cult of personality ignited a civil war in academia.
We have no way of knowing what was the consensus about the Maquis. They could have been seen as heroes or as criminals. Depending if the students were in a leftist or a rightist period. you know like whether it's a time when they generally hate the Vietnam vets or admire them, for example.
 
Joining up with Starfleet probably means that you consent to being dominated by Starfleet regulations as if they were actual laws.

In the regular US army today, the reasons any bugger can send any other bugger to the stockade is totally arbitrary that would have no sway over a civilian, even though the military code of justice and the regular civil code do connect somewhere near the top.

If a private citizen who is not in Star Fleet tries to break the Prime Directive, unless there is a civil law identical to the Prime Directive, within the limits of the law I suspect that they can do what ever the hell they want. Although considering there is no money or property, it's quite difficult for a Human Being (or any Federation citizen really) to do anything untoward on a large scale any distance from where the federation expects them to be domiciling.

Tracy broke an oath, and he knew the conditions of breaking that oath, and simply resigning was not going to let him skirt the consequences of his actions. He was going to a prison planet, and he knew that the second he murdered his first thousand Yangs.

Surely it's the difference between the police department bylaws and the law?

Starfleet Officers are policemen who uphold Federation Law, but Starfleet regulations are not Federation Law, other wise they would be laws and not regulations or directives.

If General Order One is a law that must be obeyed completely, then how about general order 24?

Is the first Officer really going to go to jail forever if he doesn't wash the crust off a planet like he's told to?
 
In the beginning, I can see a healthy debate.

But after they started blowing up Federation Star Ships?

I don't remember that. Couldn't it be in self defence?

If you try to mug a cop, and the cup draws her gun in self dense, you can't also draw your gun in self defence too, can you?

The argument was "If you get in our way we'll treat you like a spoon head".

They must have got someone during all that DS9?
 
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