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What Would Jellico Do?

Qonundrum said:
Now there's a terrific plot twist. :techman: Would have livened up the show more, but that sort of depth would have gone over to DS9 anyway.
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Yeah, I think Stern McGruff would have found a better home on DS9; that joint for militaristic martinets certainly did wonders for Nechayev.
 
Disco said:
Jellico is simply a future Badmiral.
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Possibly. He's not the monster he's frequently regarded as, but I could see his overbearing and micromanaging command style leading to problems.

Strange how the characters who seem the least flexible (Data and Worf) did the best under him.
 
Oddish said:
Possibly. He's not the monster he's frequently regarded as, but I could see his overbearing and micromanaging command style leading to problems.

Strange how the characters who seem the least flexible (Data and Worf) did the best under him.
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If Data could produce actual emotions, he'd be thrilled, elated, jubilant, ecstatic, and fresh-into-the-honeymoon over being micromanaged.

Makes sense with Worf as well. stringent with ritual and honor, the pairings almost write themselves.

There can be a time and place for micromanaging - too much or too little can lead to problems both.
 
Mojochi said:
This all assumes Jellico is actually a micromanager beyond the one instance we were shown
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Were we even shown a single instance? He ordered a four shift rotation but left the details to Riker so that isn't really micromanaging, he was so hands off that he didn't even know the four shift rotation hadn't been implemented until Riker told him.
 
Oddish said:
Possibly. He's not the monster he's frequently regarded as, but I could see his overbearing and micromanaging command style leading to problems.
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I don't see him as a monster. I see him as an asshole. And I just don't like asshole characters.
I also see him as more militaristic than Picard. And I'm one of those dirty hippies who prefer to see Starfleet as more as a scientific/research organization than a military.
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
But in a situation like this - when dealing with Cardassians - an asshole is exactly what's required.
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But see, even if that was the case (which it really isn't as DS9 proves), I don't care about storylines where you need characters like that.
I just can't relate or like some cold military hardass character, so why should I give credit to fictional characters I don't enjoy?
 
Takeru said:
Were we even shown a single instance? He ordered a four shift rotation but left the details to Riker so that isn't really micromanaging, he was so hands off that he didn't even know the four shift rotation hadn't been implemented until Riker told him.
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Whether you call it micromanaging or use another name for it, it was a bad decision on Jellico's part. Not the change itself, they did it on DS9. But the fact that he attempted to force the change on what could have been the eve of battle.

If I'm about to take a starship into a fight with a foe like the Cardassians, I want it running like a finely tuned machine. A ship that has just reassigned 25% of its personnel is not going to run smoothly at all. Jellico's need to have everything "just so" blinded him to this.
 
Oddish said:
If I'm about to take a starship into a fight with a foe like the Cardassians, I want it running like a finely tuned machine. A ship that has just reassigned 25% of its personnel is not going to run smoothly at all. Jellico's need to have everything "just so" blinded him to this.
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^ This. It was just not a sensible change at that point in time. If he had remained Captain and he had implemented the change to four shifts a week after the whole affair, it would have been completely fine.

Of course (iirc from viewing the episode more than a year ago for the last time) Riker was just whining about how it stole the "joy" out of everything instead of giving a sensible counter-argument, so Riker didn't come off as all that great either. That (as in the crew and Jellico getting used to each other) would also have been something that would have to be sorted out after the crisis.
 
IMO, Data (and possibly Worf we never see them interact at all) get on with Jellico because they will agree to anything that Jellico says unless it's outright physically impossible or legally wrong because he's "The Captain", whereas the rest of the senior staff actually have enough self-respect that they actually dare to think that their feelings and expertise have value beyond just mindlessly following Jellico's god-like pronouncements.
 
Worf knows when to follow orders. Besides, Jellico was getting the ship ready for battle, something Worf is obviously going to support.
 
Shamrock Holmes said:
IMO, Data (and possibly Worf we never see them interact at all) get on with Jellico because they will agree to anything that Jellico says unless it's outright physically impossible or legally wrong because he's "The Captain", whereas the rest of the senior staff actually have enough self-respect that they actually dare to think that their feelings and expertise have value beyond just mindlessly following Jellico's god-like pronouncements.
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Mindless, & lacking self respect are hardly qualities I can imagine anyone attributing to Data or Worf. I'm pretty sure Worf would want to kill someone for saying such.
 
I assume that Jellico had a first officer on the Cairo who suited him. If not, I could see him offering either Worf or Data the job.
 
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