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What Would Jellico Do?

If Jellico was so short on time, he should have abstained from waxing nostalgic over his children's drawings and spent that minute elsewhere.

I wonder, did Jellico think like he was going to stay longer? Decorating the readyroom was weird, "Hurry hurry, we must be prepared to face the enemy to avoid a war and also rotate shifts. Yeah, about those shifts, it's a sudden change and could be done better if we weren't in such a hurry and dangerous situation.... But first, check out this weird drawing my kid made, isn't it cute, aaww.... What? You were saying something commander? We're in a hurry, what?"

What I don't get is that Picard approved of Kurn's abrasive and no-nonsense style of command. Yet Kurn was even less tolerant and accommodating than Jellico. Doesn't that suggest that if Riker had spoken to Picard about it he would have said "Suck it up! You are under his orders for Pete's sake!"

Perhaps Picard approved Kurn's style for a while because Kurn was there as a part of the officer exchange program. If a new first officer arrived and started behaving like that Picard might settle him down a bit.
 
It's really unfair how the character was perceived by fans; he didn't have time to acclimate within the confines of the Enterprise, he had an objective and it needed to be within the parameters of his vessel. If he became the CO for a longer period of time I think the senior staff would've found a union with him, Jellico was not a bad guy... he just wasn't Captain Jean-Luc Picard. If you recall, Picard was a tight ass in the 1st season of TNG, I guess first impressions can shadow who the real person is and then make it gospel.
I was joking. I actually like Jellico. I was just making fun of how people see him as a villain
Then why was he so partial to Data?
Cuz Data makes people cry too? like Hobson lol
 
What I want to know is do you pass the test if you try to repair the conduit yourself. A person should not demand such a sacrifice of another unless they are willing to make it themselves.

I presume if the person taking the test has the engineering know-how to fix this issue, they'd be given a different scenario.

Maybe but what an actress. No wonder they used her much later in Picard and likely she'll be back in season 2.

There's no likely: we know she is.

What I don't get is that Picard approved of Kurn's abrasive and no-nonsense style of command. Yet Kurn was even less tolerant and accommodating than Jellico. Doesn't that suggest that if Riker had spoken to Picard about it he would have said "Suck it up! You are under his orders for Pete's sake!"

I'd imagine Picard has different expectations from a Klingon transfer officer than a trained Starfleet captain.
 
The Drumhead. Does Jellico fully submit to Norah Satie's investigatory methods or does he - somewhere along the line - make a stand?

Cuz Data makes people cry too? like Hobson lol

Man...what a tool. Imagine being outright prejudiced to a being that is recording your every word in perfect clarity.
 
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Still can't figure that one out. Hobson should have known that Data's outburst was fake...
Was it? I mean the outburst itself was presumably a Data performance, but I seriously doubt the threat of being relieved of duty was a bluff, & ultimately that's the thing that kept the jerkoff in line. "He was bigoted toward the captain, refused a direct order, challenged the captain's authority, & got removed from service on the spot" Who wants that on their record? (besides Riker apparently) The exchange worked, because the next step for Hobson was either stage a mutiny, or STFU & do what you're told. It doesn't matter that it was a computer programmed approximation of "Human Outburst 472". The truth is still the truth.
 
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I guess Hobson sternly objected to receiving orders from a toaster until he realized that that particular toaster could put him on the report and cause serious damage to his career. Even prejudice gives way to self-interest sometimes.
 
Remember that two short years ago, Data was on the verge of being considered equivalent to a toaster.

Even though I enjoy that episode, that line of hers was flat-out stupid (designed to make her antagonistic...via 20th century technology, no less) and I can't believe Starfleet hadn't encountered "artificial" life before that point.
 
Even though I enjoy that episode, that line of hers was flat-out stupid (designed to make her antagonistic...via 20th century technology, no less) and I can't believe Starfleet hadn't encountered "artificial" life before that point.

I mean, we know they had, given the synthetic life from TOS. Thing is, Data was the first android who joined Starfleet - Starfleet, in all its bureaucracy, decided that if Data wanted to work for them, sure, go ahead. But, once he started NOT wanting to jump at their command... Well, he's not alive, does he really have rights, isn't it more like requisitioning a piece of equipment than a transfer? That's what's going on there - "dance to their tune, they'll let you be, but change the dance or the song, and they'll take away any claim you have to the rights and privileges of those around you."

[Insert real world commentary here.]

Honestly, my thing about Jellico DOES come down to the fact that... Yeah, sure, he's on the Enterprise for a particular mission, because of his experience with the Cardassians. I get the reality of him not having the time to warm up to everyone. But he seems very determined to play his cards very close to the vest when it comes to the crew around him, who are supposed to support him and offer their perspectives as well. Indeed, when he ends up relieving Riker from duty... Riker's doing his job as first officer. Maybe a little loudly, sure, but the first officer IS supposed to be pointing out to a captain when they believe they are making a mistake. And when Riker does this, Jellico relieves him. That's... not a good command style in my book.

I mean, sure, it's the culmination of a lot of little things between them and all, but... Lemme just go over this here. He says he wants the four shift schedule, Riker consults with the department heads, they say it'll cause disruptions and Riker says to them, in effect, "let's hold off until I can speak with the captain about this." Like, this is happening in back to back scenes, so we're clearly expected to believe that there's only a short time between them, the implication is that Riker did not have the time to speak to Jellico between him saying "I want a four shift rotation" and the command transfer ceremony, which Riker says to Jellico "I was going to speak with you after the ceremony about this." And, rather than accept that there would be disruptions, or listen to the problem his plans are going to cause, he shuts things down. And the audience sees a noticeable shift in Jellico's attitude towards Riker at that point, as if Riker taking into account the things that the department heads of the ship are telling him and trying to keep things running smoothly, rather than just jumping and following orders without question, is in his eyes a slight on Riker's character.

Then there's La Forge pointing out to Riker that at the same time that Jellico has ordered the entire engineering crew to run ragged into a two day schedule, he's ALSO had several of them transfer to security - so he's pushing the crew to their limits BEFORE a potential combat situation, AND having them cross-train in the same time? That seems to be asking for exhaustion to hit the crew before things become a crisis, rather than after.

It may not be Riker's finest moment, but it's also indicating that, when it comes a ship where these officers and crew live - not just serve and do their duties, but live and build a community, it's not really Jellico being a good fit for that ship and that crew.

I think that Jellico's command style might work best on a border patrol ship, something smaller, probably with fewer amenities and less likely to be called in to a non-military situation. Y'know, he'd probably settle in great on a Defiant class ship once those got into heavy service. But for the Enterprise? For a ship whose mission statement centers on being a jack-of-all-trades ship, with a large enough crew that the captain NEEDS to delegate to their first officer and the departments heads and listen to them? He was never a fit for the ship. Even before you get to the captain clash, where he outright disregards trying to offer the crew the trust that they know how to do their job - when Deanna brings up the crew's difficulty, he leads with the understandable point of "we don't have time for a honeymoon period," but then just says "you make sure that the crew adjusts to the new routine." Putting all the onus of "adjusting" onto the crew who have worked on and lived on the ship for the last five and a half years, not the new captain who's been dropped into their lap.

If the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one, shouldn't the captain be expected to give a little in adjusting to a new ship, a new crew, a new situation, rather than making the entire crew just outright change their entire approach to the jobs they've been doing for years? Not necessarily that he's wrong ENTIRELY, but why can't he take any effort to meet anyone in the middle here?
 
shouldn't the captain be expected to give a little in adjusting to a new ship, a new crew, a new situation, rather than making the entire crew just outright change their entire approach to the jobs they've been doing for years? Not necessarily that he's wrong ENTIRELY, but why can't he take any effort to meet anyone in the middle here?

Because that's not the captain's job.

Simply put, the captain is always right. It's not Jellico's job to adjust to the crew, it's their job to adjust to HIM.
 
* certain exceptions apply.

Only if the captain gives orders that are blatantly illegal or irrational, which Jellico clearly never did.

Apart from that, though? Yes, the captain really IS always right. Jellico had reasons for doing what he did, for giving the orders that he gave...and it's up to the crew to shut their collective pie hole and do whatever the hell he says, without question. Because that's just how things work in the chain of command. :shrug:
 
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shouldn't the captain be expected to give a little in adjusting to a new ship, a new crew, a new situation, rather than making the entire crew just outright change their entire approach to the jobs they've been doing for years?
It's entirely likely that all the changes needed for going into this mission/battle could've also been necessary for Picard to implement as well, in just as short a time table, & any objections would've been handled vastly differently with him in command, because he's had time to build relationships. No one ever says Jellico is giving wrongful orders, just difficult ones, with less room for discussion, that is until Riker challenges him about Picard's capture (the wrongfulness of which is debatable)

Point being, this level of disruption might very well have always been in order, & knowing that in advance, Jellico would've known he was likely to be seen as an unwelcome replacement for Picard, by a crew largely assembled for this ship BY Picard.

Under that circumstance, & with no time to ease into this unwelcome position, he was tasked with completing this critical mission anyhow. The choice was cave in on whatever they didn't like, & risk the mission, or be a tyrant that makes them do things differently than their wonderful life under Picard

Knowing you're tasked with being the latter, you might as well accept it, & make that dynamic work FOR you. You're the captain after all. They must obey. Play the part of the asshole captain, if it gets the mission done. (Maybe risk being reassigned afterwards too, because it's now a bad fit, because of how you had to proceed)

I envision a VERY different way of things working on The Cairo, because that's maybe the crew he assembled, & nurtured, & has formed relationships with under normal circumstances.

Nechayev's decision was to send out a ship on a critical mission with no trust between captain & crew. THAT'S the bad call that has forced all these other things into motion. It makes me wonder if she's ever been on long term assignment, captaining a vessel herself. Frankly, I'd rather take my chances & be sent into hostile territory with Worf & Beverly than that shitshow assignment. :guffaw:
 
Simply put, the captain is always right.

Or the captain believes he's always right?
Being right doesn't mean the captain will do the right decisions. In 'The Wounded' captain Maxwell was probably right about Cardassians doing things they shouldn't be doing but Maxwell's actions were wrong.
 
Not to put too sharp a point on it, but short of breaching laws or codes of conduct, or directly acting in an unfit manner, which will endanger ship & crew, any order given by a commanding officer they are dutybound to follow or uphold. That's what enrollment in the service is. Placing everyone in a difficult spot because the mission is a difficult spot doesn't qualify.
 
Good afternoon.

Though I'm not a Jellico advocate, I did enjoy seeing Ronny Cox on The Next Generation and his character was - at the minimum - a competent Captain. As of late, I wonder how he'd handle some of the more unorthodox situations that Picard faced.

:techman:

1. Q Who. Would he tolerate Q's antics as much as Picard? Would he exhibit the necessarily humility at the crucial moment?

To each:
1. Nope.
2. Nope.

He'd end up being borgified fast enough, but with one difference: Picard got a cat laser stuck to his head, Jellico would get an espresso/cappuccino maker instead as it might liven him up to the point that even Q would be re-intrigued.

2. The Survivors. Would he catch on to Kevin's true nature (or as quickly as Picard)? Would he ask Kevin to go along with imprisonment or would he similarly give him up without a fight?

He wouldn't catch on. Or if he did, he'd do nothing - not even lift the musak from Troi's mind.

3. Final Mission. Hell, how would Jellico handle/mentor Wesley (if at all)?

Not at all.

4. The Wounded. Jellico may have sympathized with Maxwell more, but would he go along with Maxwell's plan or would he also take the man in for questioning/punishment?

Great question. Either way he'd be stern and either way the script would let him win.

5. Darmok. Yikes?

LOL
6. Man of the People. I don't *think* he could play greater hardball with Alkar, but I could very well be wrong.

:)

7. Starship Mine. This would be a treat to watch.

:luvlove:

8. The Pegasus. Would Pressman find an ally in Jellico?

Now there's a terrific plot twist. :techman: Would have livened up the show more, but that sort of depth would have gone over to DS9 anyway.
 
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