Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, May 20, 2019.
No kidding. Personal curiosity time-why watch it?
Yeah, I'd agree to a part.
Though I have to admit - covering Dr. Who is a much better fit for Star Trek than trying to re-create the tone of nuBattlestar Galactica. Now - I personally like BSG more than Dr. Who. But that's because it's so different. That tone doesn't fit in a more fantastical world with bumpy-forehead aliens, time-travel and stuff.
I'm not a fan of the soap-drama stuff in either, and like that Dr. Who gradually turned that down a notch after Davies left. But I like the rest enough to soldier through that. And - even though DIS dops the ball in this regard too sometimes, Dr. Who was much worse. And I still love that show.
Yeah, I think one reason I'm so uninterested in the soapy stuff in Discovery is that I got more than my fill from Doctor Who. But I can't deny the formula works. The mass audience seems to like big tears accompanied by sweeping orchestral scores.
Though I've said I prefer S1 to S2 by a tiny bit, in the long-term, I agree that it's better for Star Trek to borrow from Doctor Who's example than Battlestar Galactica. ST and DW seem more compatible in general. Especially with Discovery going into the Far Future.
You know I'm usually all about going against the grain but, in this case, I guess the "mass audience" applies to me. We won't talk about my reaction to the end of Titanic or Interstellar.
In Interstellar's case, after picking up napkins after the end, I rushed out of the theater as fast as I could, while hoping I wouldn't run into anyone who knew me.
I teared up, too! And then on the way home from the theater, every song on the radio reminded me of what I'd just seen, and I teared up again!
Perhaps. I think people also enjoy very emotional reactions.
At least, I love DSC for those emotional moments with characters I feel engaged with.
I much prefer the emotional, human stuff to the sterile, self-conscious stuff.
If you overdo it, it can begin to lose its impact and become eyeroll worthy. They need to find a happy medium.
The show shouldn't be judged on its continuity. Regardless of how one feels it all comes together, that should be at the bottom of the list for any drama.
They both ideally should be there. From my perspective, they've really overcompensated from the more sterile Berman years.
As with all things in life, there needs to be balanced. I prefer the DSC way to the GR box of early Berman.
I have no doubt that DSC will find that balance in time. But, I am a person who likes emotions, tears, engaging with characters in those moments and finding that wherewithal to push through.
Obviously, that is not for everyone but it's why DSC appeals to me, why TOS appeals to me (even if the moments are more far between there are still giant emotional moments that stick with me to this day) and that's why DS9 appeals to me.
Well, I agree, but it’s a spectrum. I don’t think TOS was short on proper human drama, while Discovery’s big tears approach sometimes feels unearned to me. Speaking generally, I often find full-on sobbing accompanied by a sweeping score less effective than smaller moments that encapsulate the same feelings more subtly. (Not that full-on sobbing doesn’t have its place. But Doctor Who, for example, went to that well so often it lost its effectiveness.)
I appreciate the point of view, and I certainly think DSC could do well to adjust. I just think that DSC hasn't completely lost its effectiveness in these moments.
But, I'll freely admit being fully engaged with Burnham as a character which I think impacts these emotional moments.
I also found this point on Reddit (I know), but I do agree with it.
They took Control with them to the future. We all saw it. The only reason we think that isn't a problem is because the creator of the show did interviews saying that Control is dead. The fact that the creators had to tell us what was going on in their story because what they had shown us was unclear says something. Yes, Georgiou said Control had been neutralized but Gant had been neutralized as well and we saw how that ended.
Similar to what I said after the episode aired, they took the problem with them to the future which was stupid, it may have stopped the present from being affected (assuming Control didnt leave copies of itself although I would of) but its only made the problem worse.
The statement the creators gave was misleading, they said that "Control is dead" but Control and the AI from the future are not the same thing.
Hence why I will not be surprised if the whole AI storyline is not as over as they say it is, I hope I am wrong but I have a horrible suspicion I am not.
This is the problem with introducing time travel and multiple universes so early in a show, it makes a mess of the whole show as it means there is no firm foundation in time to anchor to when anything and everything can be changed or already has been by interference from the future.
We will have to wait and see if it is the case or not, I really hope it isnt.
Then again at least they didnt pull a Borg on us.
Thankfully. Give me evil AI, evil robots, or even Klingons (*sighs*) over the Borg again. Especially Borg in the future.
A Klingon AI wouldn't have to evolve to become evil, it would be evil from the get-go.
AI is a reflection of the person programing it.
See the M5.
The jump to the future only makes sense if Control is still active in the 23rd century. The novelverse version is present in some form in all Federation computers and thus can never be truly defeated. Perhaps season 3 or the S31 series will clarify why they still jumped after Control was "neutralized"*
*You know, after they read this thread and go, "oh fuck"
Don't do it, Michelle. It'll lead to the creation of twice as many "But what about ____?" posts if you do. And hi!
What they could have done is turn the tables on Control at the last minute and send it into the future instead of Discovery. And maybe that could’ve explained the probe from the future coming back through the portal in an earlier episode.
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