Did you see that scene?
What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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Did you see that scene?
Yes I have, and the way the scene is scripted and acted out, it's the most ridiculous thing in ST I've ever seen. Even more ridiculous than seeing T'Pol's buttcrack. YMMV.
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We all did.. Ever hear of the word "hyperbole?"
At least Skywalker's version has it actually mean something and not have it be some idiotic idea on Trip's part. If he sacrificed himself to save his friend in the heat of the moment, that would be better writing.
What we get is a situation where the heat of the moment has passed and Trip's first idea out of the bag is to commit suicide. Seriously? He couldn't stall them until the MACOs arrived? Try to fight them? Find another way to disarm them, one that doesn't involve him killing himself?
Three words: Badly. Written. Holoprogram.
antiquityscion
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I'll give Braga credit for trying something unusual with "Threshold", but Trip blowing himself up for no good reason is just plain, old fashioned, superficially tacked on pathos, added for no other reason than someone felt that something dramatic had to happen for Riker to bounce off of. It didn't grow out organically from the story, which is a big reason why it feels wrong. It is.
LOL dear lord, that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad scene, to top it all off the captain mates with paris and they have babies LOL - defo worst moment in Trek history
and then beating the warp 10 barrier with some uber special crystals that they happen to find
"For me, it was going forward all those years and none of the characters having advanced, particularly Trip and T'Pol's relationship having been put on ice for an unrealistically long amount of time for no apparent reason. And the useless death of Trip of course."
It should be emhasized that Trip DID NOT DIE. This was a holodeck, essentially a video game. Play it again and he might live. This is not canon, it is not saying he dies in the real event.
It should be emhasized that Trip DID NOT DIE. This was a holodeck, essentially a video game. Play it again and he might live. This is not canon, it is not saying he dies in the real event.
Well, there are three schools of thought on that subject.
1. The holodeck program was a true and factual account of an event that happened to the NX-01 crew in 2161.
2. The holodeck program was a very inaccurate portrayal of a possible event that happened to the NX-01 crew in 2161.
3. Because the "Pegasus" framing story does not match with the actual events of "The Pegasus" original TNG episode, both the Ent-D scenes AND the holodeck recreation actually take place in an alternate universe from the ENT series up to that point.
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No so. Riker's not interacting with the program when Trip dies. It's not an interactive videogame but a recording. And even when he is participating, it's never as a character with the ability to alter events. He's merely "along for the ride"
Furthermore it was the intent of the writers that both the 22nd and 24th century stories be correct. Otherwise Riker learning from Trip's sacrifice is meaningless.
Doesn't stop it being a shite episode and an even worse finale to both ENT and classic Trek.:shug:
Except Trip's sacrifice had nothing to do with Riker's 'dilema' in The Pegasus. Riker's dilema was: "Shoould I tell Picard what Admiral Pressman ordered me not to."
So, unless they had Archer there and conscious, giving Trip a direct order; and Trip disobeyed that order to save the NX-01 - there's zero correlation.
Hell, what I find funny is: Pressman ordered Riker to discuss thias with NO ONE - yet in one of tyhe TaTV scenes, Riker spills EVERYTHING to Deanna Troi...
Why do I find the above so ridiculus? Because this is a military situation, not a civilian one - ergo: When a superior ranking officer says "Discuss this with no one...", that means NO ONE - including your shrink! Lets not even discuss the fact that throufgh all of this Sirtis can't even act in character, as shes obverly jovial and smiling through the entire episode (probably happy because someone's giving her a paycheck again. I wonder if she even read the script or realized this was supposed to be taking place duing a very serious situation in an existing and previous TNG episode?
The fact is B&B did there usual hack job, didn''t bother to think as to whether the siuation they were setting up in the NX-01 MADE SENSE in relation to Riiker's situation in The Pegasus - and hell obviously hadn't bothered to read the scripts or watch any of Manny Coto's completed 4th season episodes (that they still both claim to have 'been involved with'.) And, why do I say this? Because NONE of the Enterprise characters showed ANY of ther 4th season character development they had under Coto - and further seemed pretty much charicatures of the second season version of the ENT characters.
Actually, the same can be said of Frakes. In Pegasus, Riker is a stressed out basket case. In This Ain't The Valentine, Riker is having drinks with Troi, making dinner dates with her, taking a holo-tour of the NX-01, role-playing as a MACO and the cook... It's as if Bermaga had never seen "The Pegasus" OR "Enterprise."
Well, "The Pegasus" was one of Ron Moore's scripts, so why should the Bragaberman give a shit?
I wonder what would RDM say if he ever saw TATV. He had probably never seen a single ep of ENT, though (he was actually talking trash about the very concept of the show in the media, IIRC).
I'm sure he's seen it, and I'm sure he thought it sucked. Because everyone thought it sucked. And those people who say they didn't think it sucked obviously watched the wrong episode.
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