I'll bitch about it for ya'.
I thought it was a waste of time (if you'll pardon the expression). It had a few fun moments (Grand Theft Auto, Burgerland and the "Thank You for NOT SMOKING" scene with T'Pol). Otherwise, it was a Major Snore.
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What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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I thought it was a waste of time (if you'll pardon the expression). It had a few fun moments (Grand Theft Auto, Burgerland and the "Thank You for NOT SMOKING" scene with T'Pol). Otherwise, it was a Major Snore.
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Carpenter Street deserves a Pulitzer Prize because ya know, it was journalism, because it was all true. And Bound deserves an Oscar for it's incredible dance sequence which brings tears to my eyes every time I watch it which is at least once a month. And Precious Cargo deserves the Noble Peace Prize for its futherance of inter species diplomacy and understanding and hot sex swamp scenes.
And TATV deserves to be SHOT IN THE FACE UNTIL YOU CAN'T SEE THE TV FOR ALL THE GREY MATTER EXCEPT THERE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE ANY GREY MATTER BECAUSE IT WAS SO SO SO SO STUPID.
And TATV deserves to be SHOT IN THE FACE UNTIL YOU CAN'T SEE THE TV FOR ALL THE GREY MATTER EXCEPT THERE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE ANY GREY MATTER BECAUSE IT WAS SO SO SO SO STUPID.
I liked "Carpenter Street". Archer saved some hookers from the Xindi. Saved hookers AND THE HUMAN RACE
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Carpenter Street, Bound and Precious Cargo all at least focused on ENT characters, not characters from another show.
Hey, all I said was that Carpenter Street was a snore.
As for "you're making me gag" bad, it's not even in the same league as This Ain't The Valentine.
Yes my point was that all those eps people dislike (I think Carpenter Street is great) are all MASTERPIECES next to TATV which is a piece of flaming crap.
Wait, the dissing of other episodes is diluting the blindingly awesome purity of TATV loathing that is this thread's lifeblood!
This Ain't The Valentine: Putrid. Rotten. Decayed. Rancid. Filthy. Stink. Stank. Stunk. Vomit inducing. Abominable. Despicable. Detestable. Repugnant. Loathsome.
I'd do more, but it's late and I'm watching Jon Stewart.
Hope this helps you feel better, HR.
Given the choice between TATV and a seasick crocodile, I'd take the seasick crocodile.
TATV is an appalling dump-heap, overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of rubbish imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots!
TATV is an appalling dump-heap, overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of rubbish imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots!
I can feeeeeel your haaaaaaate... [/The Emperor]
How good of you to pull the thread back on topic.
I liked it too. And "Bound." And "Precious Cargo" had T'Pol doing that "Judicial Administrator" bit! What's not to love?
Sorry, sorry, I'm off topic. Carry on.
Well as I said 86 posts ago there are only 3 things I dislike in the whole of ENT and TATV is one of them. Though it hardly belongs on the list as it is a crapola TNG ep.
I just came up with an idea for a similar, but slightly different version of TATV that I think could have made the episode somewhat more palatable. It still involves Trip dying, so I apologize to those who are vehemently opposed to Trip ever being killed in any manner. 
Anyway, instead of setting it during "The Pegasus," I had the idea to set it shortly after Nemesis. Following the death of Data, Picard has decided to retire from Starfleet (I know, more heresy!
) and watch over the development of B-4. Since Riker had yet to take command of the USS Titan, he is instead selected by Starfleet to replace Picard as captain of the Enterprise. Riker is still deeply affected by Data's death, however, and now questions whether or not he's worthy of following in the footsteps of Picard, Kirk, and the other captains of the Enterprise. Troi convinces him to view a program on the holodeck that she thinks will help him.
Flash back to 2161. A year removed from the Romulan War, Archer and his crew are on their way to Earth for the decommissioning of Enterprise and the signing of the Federation Charter. They are ferrying Shran, now an ambassador for the Andorians. En route to Earth, Enterprise is contacted by Tarah (Suzie Plakson's militant Andorian hardliner from "Cease Fire"), who escaped from prison some time ago and is now a member of an extremist anti-unionist terrorist organization (sort of an Andorian Terra Prime). Tarah tells Shran that her organization has kidnapped his daughter, Talla, and will kill her if Shran doesn't come to Rigel X and turn himself over to answer for "crimes against Andoria."
Even though they all know it's a trap, Archer and crew voice their support for Shran and head for Rigel X to rescue Talla. Trip tries to convince Archer to stay on the ship, but Archer insists on going down to the planet. When they arrive for the exchange, Tarah hands Talla over, but then attacks the rescuers when Archer reveals himself, as she blames him for Andoria's collusion with the Vulcans as much as she does Shran. The rescue team fights their way back to the ship and resume course for Earth.
Back on Enterprise, Archer and Trip are discussing the upcoming ceremony and toast to the new Federation when the ship comes under attack. As they rush to the bridge, Tarah and two other terrorists beam aboard, blocking their path. Tarah orders Archer to bring them to Shran, Archer refuses, and Trip attacks one of Tarah's henchmen. A fight ensues, and Archer and Trip manage to take down the henchmen before Tarah gains the upper hand on them. Just as Tarah is about to shoot Archer, Trip jumps in front of him and takes the shot himself. Before she can get another shot off, Tarah is stunned by Reed, who has just arrived with some MACOs. They rush Trip down to sickbay, but because Andorian weapons have no stun setting, Trip is grievously wounded and the outlook is grim. As Phlox preps Trip for surgery, Trip leaves Archer with a few words of encouragement.
Later, Archer and T'Pol discuss Trip and his impact on their lives. Enterprise is nearing Earth, and it's almost time for them to say goodbye. Riker has played pretty much the same role throughout this program as he did in the actual episode, and has one final discussion with Trip while posing as the ship's chef. Riker and Trip discuss the relationship between a captain and his duty to both his ship and his crew, and Trip tells Riker that there comes a time in every captain's career when he'll suffer a great loss, and that he can't let his fear of the unknown hold him back.
On Earth, Hoshi, Reed, and Travis, subdued but optimistic, await Archer's speech and discuss their own futures. Archer prepares to give his speech, and after Phlox departs to join his wives, Archer tells T'Pol that he will retire from Starfleet after Enterprise's decommissioning, having grown weary of war and watching friends and loved ones die (a reference to the missing Erika Hernandez would fit nicely here). T'Pol understands his decision, but leaves Archer with a few words to reassure him that Trip will always be with them. Just before he heads out, Archer turns back and hugs T'Pol.
Archer delivers his historic speech, and as the audience applauds, Riker ends the program and goes to speak with Picard, who is packing his things in his ready room. Picard informs Riker that he has also grown weary of all the war and death that he's seen, having lost so many, including his brother, his nephew, Tasha Yar, and now Data. Riker mentions that he's not sure if he really has what it takes to command the Enterprise. Picard merely smiles and tells Riker that every captain has questioned his own worthiness at one time or another. He says that it's not a lack of fear that makes a captain, it's what that captain does with his fear, and tells Riker that he's more than ready to take over.
As they exit the ready room and step onto the bridge, Riker thanks Picard for everything he's done for him, and Picard tells Riker that he'll do the Enterprise proud. For the last time, he tells Riker, "You have the bridge, Number One," before stepping onto the turbolift and leaving Riker alone on what is now his bridge.
The episode then ends much the same way, except starting with the Enterprise-E and Riker beginning the famous speech.
Riker: (over the 1701-E) "Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise..."
Picard: (over the 1701-D) "...its continuing mission: to explore strange, new worlds..."
Kirk: (over the 1701) "...to seek out new life and new civilizations..."
Archer: (over the NX-01) "...to boldly go where no man has gone before."
So, yeah, that's it. Cheesy? Probably. But it's crazy-late where I am and I wrote this up on a sleep-deprived brain. Feel free to hate it as much as you want.
Anyway, instead of setting it during "The Pegasus," I had the idea to set it shortly after Nemesis. Following the death of Data, Picard has decided to retire from Starfleet (I know, more heresy!
) and watch over the development of B-4. Since Riker had yet to take command of the USS Titan, he is instead selected by Starfleet to replace Picard as captain of the Enterprise. Riker is still deeply affected by Data's death, however, and now questions whether or not he's worthy of following in the footsteps of Picard, Kirk, and the other captains of the Enterprise. Troi convinces him to view a program on the holodeck that she thinks will help him.Flash back to 2161. A year removed from the Romulan War, Archer and his crew are on their way to Earth for the decommissioning of Enterprise and the signing of the Federation Charter. They are ferrying Shran, now an ambassador for the Andorians. En route to Earth, Enterprise is contacted by Tarah (Suzie Plakson's militant Andorian hardliner from "Cease Fire"), who escaped from prison some time ago and is now a member of an extremist anti-unionist terrorist organization (sort of an Andorian Terra Prime). Tarah tells Shran that her organization has kidnapped his daughter, Talla, and will kill her if Shran doesn't come to Rigel X and turn himself over to answer for "crimes against Andoria."
Even though they all know it's a trap, Archer and crew voice their support for Shran and head for Rigel X to rescue Talla. Trip tries to convince Archer to stay on the ship, but Archer insists on going down to the planet. When they arrive for the exchange, Tarah hands Talla over, but then attacks the rescuers when Archer reveals himself, as she blames him for Andoria's collusion with the Vulcans as much as she does Shran. The rescue team fights their way back to the ship and resume course for Earth.
Back on Enterprise, Archer and Trip are discussing the upcoming ceremony and toast to the new Federation when the ship comes under attack. As they rush to the bridge, Tarah and two other terrorists beam aboard, blocking their path. Tarah orders Archer to bring them to Shran, Archer refuses, and Trip attacks one of Tarah's henchmen. A fight ensues, and Archer and Trip manage to take down the henchmen before Tarah gains the upper hand on them. Just as Tarah is about to shoot Archer, Trip jumps in front of him and takes the shot himself. Before she can get another shot off, Tarah is stunned by Reed, who has just arrived with some MACOs. They rush Trip down to sickbay, but because Andorian weapons have no stun setting, Trip is grievously wounded and the outlook is grim. As Phlox preps Trip for surgery, Trip leaves Archer with a few words of encouragement.
Later, Archer and T'Pol discuss Trip and his impact on their lives. Enterprise is nearing Earth, and it's almost time for them to say goodbye. Riker has played pretty much the same role throughout this program as he did in the actual episode, and has one final discussion with Trip while posing as the ship's chef. Riker and Trip discuss the relationship between a captain and his duty to both his ship and his crew, and Trip tells Riker that there comes a time in every captain's career when he'll suffer a great loss, and that he can't let his fear of the unknown hold him back.
On Earth, Hoshi, Reed, and Travis, subdued but optimistic, await Archer's speech and discuss their own futures. Archer prepares to give his speech, and after Phlox departs to join his wives, Archer tells T'Pol that he will retire from Starfleet after Enterprise's decommissioning, having grown weary of war and watching friends and loved ones die (a reference to the missing Erika Hernandez would fit nicely here). T'Pol understands his decision, but leaves Archer with a few words to reassure him that Trip will always be with them. Just before he heads out, Archer turns back and hugs T'Pol.
Archer delivers his historic speech, and as the audience applauds, Riker ends the program and goes to speak with Picard, who is packing his things in his ready room. Picard informs Riker that he has also grown weary of all the war and death that he's seen, having lost so many, including his brother, his nephew, Tasha Yar, and now Data. Riker mentions that he's not sure if he really has what it takes to command the Enterprise. Picard merely smiles and tells Riker that every captain has questioned his own worthiness at one time or another. He says that it's not a lack of fear that makes a captain, it's what that captain does with his fear, and tells Riker that he's more than ready to take over.
As they exit the ready room and step onto the bridge, Riker thanks Picard for everything he's done for him, and Picard tells Riker that he'll do the Enterprise proud. For the last time, he tells Riker, "You have the bridge, Number One," before stepping onto the turbolift and leaving Riker alone on what is now his bridge.
The episode then ends much the same way, except starting with the Enterprise-E and Riker beginning the famous speech.
Riker: (over the 1701-E) "Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise..."
Picard: (over the 1701-D) "...its continuing mission: to explore strange, new worlds..."
Kirk: (over the 1701) "...to seek out new life and new civilizations..."
Archer: (over the NX-01) "...to boldly go where no man has gone before."
So, yeah, that's it. Cheesy? Probably. But it's crazy-late where I am and I wrote this up on a sleep-deprived brain. Feel free to hate it as much as you want.
I would have just had a Titan-era Riker and Troi travel back to foil on final, last-ditch-effort Future Guy plot to blow up the stadium where Archer's giving his big speech. Riker and Troi enlist the NX'ers to help find the bomb.
Killing Riker (taking a bullet for Archer after the bomb plot is foiled, maybe?) would have been a far more interesting end.
Killing Riker (taking a bullet for Archer after the bomb plot is foiled, maybe?) would have been a far more interesting end.
Skywalker - Hate it? Why? That would have made for an amazing final episode! 
In fact, you could remove the TNG elements and it would still be a perfect stand-off for ENT, with the minor addition having Archer say that he's retiring from Starfleet in order to become the new UFP ambassador to Andoria.
I'm not opposed to Trip dying in the final episode, I just hate that his death in TATV was so clumsily presented and completely meaningless. You're version actually does the character a service.
KingDaniel - Another excellent idea! Having Riker die in order to preserve the timeline would have an amazing ending.
In fact, you could remove the TNG elements and it would still be a perfect stand-off for ENT, with the minor addition having Archer say that he's retiring from Starfleet in order to become the new UFP ambassador to Andoria.I'm not opposed to Trip dying in the final episode, I just hate that his death in TATV was so clumsily presented and completely meaningless. You're version actually does the character a service.
KingDaniel - Another excellent idea!
Having Riker die in order to preserve the timeline would have an amazing ending.
Thanks, Admiral Shran.
I read your synopsis, and while it does indeed sound better than what we got in TATV, it still suffers from TATV's inherent problem: That finale should have been about the NX-01 crew, not about Riker's issues. If anything, Riker and Troi should have been entirely in the background for the entire ep, making the audience wonder exactly why they're there in the first place until the very end.
I've always believed that the concept of someone from the future observing a recreation of events in ENT's time period would have made a great episode, as long as that future individual doesn't eclipse the story you're trying to tell (see Babylon 5's 4th season finale "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" to get a good idea of what I'm talking about). Even setting the framing story post-Nemesis doesn't automatically make things better either, as yet again we have a story that focuses more about Riker and Picard's issues and how they solve them by recounting events that happened 200 years before. I've never tried to find answers to any problem in my life by doing research about a small group of people from the 1800's. I have done research like that, but it was for a book report.
And I also have to say that there's absolutely nothing anyone can say to convince me that Trip's dying was in any way necessary to the plot of either TATV or your version. No offense, but it was the stupidest moment in all of Star Trek.
That was a really cool alternative to what we got! Shran isn't played for a fool by his "business partners." The stupid idea of aliens with a warp 2 ship overtaking the NX-01 vanishes. Trip doesn't go to pieces when Archer is threatened. Riker having doubts about filling Picard's boots, totally credible.
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