What was "The Burn" and what caused it?
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And the more traditionally violent species of the Federation like the Andorians could have spearheaded that secession movement. Humans may be part of the V'Draysh as well.
Possibly. If they were 32nd century neo-neo-neo-Confederates, though, I’m wondering why they would adopt (and subsequently bastardize) the name, especially when there are still some elements of the post-burn Federation still around out there. To acquire some kind of regional legitimacy? I’ll have to watch the episode again, but I think I recall that they were referring to Saru and Tilly (a Human) as V’Draysh (I really hate typing that on my iPad for some reason). That doesn’t track with some anti-Human secessionist spinoff of the UFP. I’m thinking they were more like “Those Who Were in the Before-Times”, but less wordy. The “‘Murcia” analogy seems apt here, actually. We know that Starfleet and some splinters of the Federation still exist and are flying around out there, apparently holding on to the old tenants of the Federation that Burnham recognized, like the solitary dude in the space station. I’m thinking they are most likely the V’Draysh.
So that brings up the next question: Why would they be the ones responsible for the simultaneous destruction of nearly all dilithium that spans galaxies (based on the recent clip that was shown online)? Are they responsible, either directly or indirectly, through action or inaction? Either way, this seems a pretty colossal fuck up. Gargantuan may be a good word to use in this context. Are the V’Draysh actually a different organization, or are they very much the same, but a different name? Zare gave mention to some “Pigeon” language. I’m thinking that’s simply nothing more than an evolution of the “Standard Tongue”, 900-some years in the future, it’s just what the Federation is called now.
So that brings up the next question: Why would they be the ones responsible for the simultaneous destruction of nearly all dilithium that spans galaxies (based on the recent clip that was shown online)? Are they responsible, either directly or indirectly, through action or inaction? Either way, this seems a pretty colossal fuck up. Gargantuan may be a good word to use in this context. Are the V’Draysh actually a different organization, or are they very much the same, but a different name? Zare gave mention to some “Pigeon” language. I’m thinking that’s simply nothing more than an evolution of the “Standard Tongue”, 900-some years in the future, it’s just what the Federation is called now.
The V'Draysh just like The United Federation of Planets, is a organization of hundred or a thousand world, which included human world.
Unlike the Federation, which is government run by it people. Right now it's unknown how the V'Draysh is govern. Is it control by one person or a group of people?
What ever the V'Draysh had done to cause the Federation to be hated is Unknown.
Unlike the Federation, which is government run by it people. Right now it's unknown how the V'Draysh is govern. Is it control by one person or a group of people?
What ever the V'Draysh had done to cause the Federation to be hated is Unknown.
In a new promo Michael Burnham states the burn occurred 700 years after the time that they left the 23rd century. that means the burn occurred in the 30th century.
I don't see much evidence the Federation is hated at all. The people who have actively show disdain for it are criminals and marauders. Besides that, we've seen characters (Book and the miners) who like it in theory, but believe it would never actually help them).
My guess is the future Federation/V'Draysh is a bit isolationist due to limited resources, but it's not actively antagonistic.
Not quite. What occurs 700 years after their departure is that dilithium resources gradually run out. There's no disaster there yet, no Burn, but things do start to go downhill. And then comes the Burn, the "hard left turn", some unknown time later.
Both of these separate things take place before the 32nd century, apparently, since Booker, while uncertain, thinks the Burn is at least a century in his past. Both might be in the 30th, or then the Burn is in the 31st, as suggested by the uncertain Book, and the dilithium-runs-out thing is in the 30th.
Both of these separate things take place before the 32nd century, apparently, since Booker, while uncertain, thinks the Burn is at least a century in his past. Both might be in the 30th, or then the Burn is in the 31st, as suggested by the uncertain Book, and the dilithium-runs-out thing is in the 30th.
Timo Saloniemi
V'Draysh is pidgin talk, like Creole, after so many years and language mashes it just gets shortened. There is no seperate entity. As said, people remember, stories handed down of a benevolent federation that maintained law and order in the galaxy.. Before the Dark times... Before the Empi...re.. nevermind..
The Good Old Days. People have been pining for that forever.
Zareh never call Saru and Tilly V'Draysh. He said,'' A captain with experience should know that even a V'Drayshes captain knows pigeon''.
Saru was presenting himself as an uptime Federation captain. Zareh suspected this wasn't true - that they were time travelers. He was saying that even a captain of the Federation (V'Draysh) should know how to understand pidgin (a real linguistic term for the early point in language formation before a true creole forms when speakers of different languages use a "broken" shorthand to understand one another). My inference is V'Draysh is the term for Federation in pidgin. Pidgin is not spoken in the Federation, but captains should be able to understand it.
All the human admiralty ide imagine given how sketchy they usually are
Or- anyone else think the word V’draysh sounds Vulcan or Klingon? Just pondering. Think of it- an evil evolution of the Federation run by the Vulcans- sure would turn Trek on its head, wouldn’t it?
This perhaps may be the premise of Unification Part III.
Prime Universe Romulan revenge for the Hobus incident, independent of Nero’s actions. I’m sure he wasn’t the only Romulan that blamed the Federation for its destruction, not to mention the botched rescue attempt shown in PIC.
Prime Universe Romulan revenge for the Hobus incident, independent of Nero’s actions. I’m sure he wasn’t the only Romulan that blamed the Federation for its destruction, not to mention the botched rescue attempt shown in PIC.
It could also be the first Prime Timeline mention of Nero since PIC has thus far avoided any mention of Spock's rescue attempt or Nero.
Nope.
You regulate the power kicked out of a singularity by regulating the matter stream that goes into it. It isn't like anti matter where you have to carefully regulate every particle impact.
Source?
I don't think we have enough information from the show to establish how an artificial singularity drive works, and whether or not it uses dilithium.
Then one wonders what Craft and his people's problem was...
