What was the BEST Starship Battle??

[bbjeg]

Sacrifice of Angels, duh

esp when the Klingons arrive from "above" at a different angle to the other ships, in the glare of that star (nice to see a use of different planes in 3D space) and totally smash right through that Cardassian Galor class ship after blowing it to pieces.

Followed by the lines
"Dax, can you make it through?"
"I'd love to try."


... yeah, the word "awesome" really doesn't do that moment justice.



You know what's weird to think of too... that episode was nearly 17 years ago

^That's what I'm talking about and everything was on the line too.

 

[sonak]

too bad it was all resolved in a deus ex machina way.

 

[Ethros]

^ Well, only what was coming through the wormhole; the Dominion reinforcements. The Feds & Klingons still won the above battle, and the war still raged on for almost another two years

 

[anh165]

Sacrifice of Angels, duh

esp when the Klingons arrive from "above" at a different angle to the other ships, in the glare of that star (nice to see a use of different planes in 3D space) and totally smash right through that Cardassian Galor class ship after blowing it to pieces.

Followed by the lines
"Dax, can you make it through?"
"I'd love to try."


... yeah, the word "awesome" really doesn't do that moment justice.



You know what's weird to think of too... that episode was nearly 17 years ago

^That's what I'm talking about and everything was on the line too.

Horrid cut and paste visual effects

Cheezy lines from the cast

PASS

 

[trevanian]

Parts of TWOK and TUC are good, but I'm really still waiting for the first great starship battle. Something between SPOCK MUST DIE! and THE WOUNDED SKY would be awesome.

 

[Yanks]

Sacrifice of Angels, duh

esp when the Klingons arrive from "above" at a different angle to the other ships, in the glare of that star (nice to see a use of different planes in 3D space) and totally smash right through that Cardassian Galor class ship after blowing it to pieces.

Followed by the lines
"Dax, can you make it through?"
"I'd love to try."


... yeah, the word "awesome" really doesn't do that moment justice.



You know what's weird to think of too... that episode was nearly 17 years ago

^That's what I'm talking about and everything was on the line too.

Horrid cut and paste visual effects

Cheezy lines from the cast

PASS

Agree.

Just get as many Star Ships on the screen as you can at one time....

More equals EPIC!!!!

 

[Ethros]

O'Brien: "The Klingons have opened a hole in the Dominion lines."
Sisko: "Dax, can you get us through?"
Dax: "I'd love to try."

erm, that's a cheesy line?? Erm, yeah, ok...
Wow, I'd hate to see you watch Batman & Robin


Horrid visuals? Again, what? Just sounds pretty drive by trollish to me. If it's not your thing then fair enough, but this was 1997 as I pointed out, on a TV budget. I think the effects they were doing that time during DS9 s6/7 and VOY s4/5 were pretty frickin good.
So sorry if it's because I dared to suggest something other than Wrath of Khan.



Other ones I'd say would be some from ENT, the battle from the end of 3.22 The Council of the Xindi superweapon escaping, and obviously gotta love the In A Mirror, Darkly stuff

 

[BillJ]

Horrid visuals? Again, what? Just sounds pretty drive by trollish to me. If it's not your thing then fair enough, but this was 1997 as I pointed out, on a TV budget. I think the effects they were doing that time during DS9 s6/7 and VOY s4/5 were pretty frickin good.

I'm not impressed with that scene because they overdid it. When watching, I couldn't even really tell what was going on. When you look at the screecaps, some of the models look like they came straight out of Bridge Commander.

What they wanted to accomplish clearly wasn't technically feasible on a TV budget in 1997.

 

[T'Girl]

too bad it was all resolved in a deus ex machina way.

Oh, that was the best part.

Technology and weapons didn't win the day,

Sisko asking the Prophets for their help did.

 

[anh165]

O'Brien: "The Klingons have opened a hole in the Dominion lines."
Sisko: "Dax, can you get us through?"
Dax: "I'd love to try."

erm, that's a cheesy line?? Erm, yeah, ok...
Wow, I'd hate to see you watch Batman & Robin

The dialogue is very poor, a classic example of telling rather than showing - all in all it is spine cringingly cheezy.

Horrid visuals? Again, what? Just sounds pretty drive by trollish to me. If it's not your thing then fair enough, but this was 1997 as I pointed out, on a TV budget. I think the effects they were doing that time during DS9 s6/7 and VOY s4/5 were pretty frickin good.
So sorry if it's because I dared to suggest something other than Wrath of Khan.



Other ones I'd say would be some from ENT, the battle from the end of 3.22 The Council of the Xindi superweapon escaping, and obviously gotta love the In A Mirror, Darkly stuff

All of the examples (except TWOK) looked like insipid FMV from a PC Game from the 17 years ago.

 

[bbjeg]

Honestly, there are cheesy lines all across Star Trek, from Khan quoting Moby Dick before he died, to (IIRC) Picard using the word jive during season one. Wrath of Khan is a classic and all but it's just a another villain with a personal vendetta. Khan didn't have to fight Kirk, he had the genesis device, yet he died falling for Kirk's taunt. Sacrifice of Angels showed what the Federation was worth when a force invades, with the Klingons swooping in for honor and glory. It was epic. Dukat wasn't stupid enough to have a one on one fight with Sisko when the hands in his favor and let the more than adequate Dominion forces handle it (if the Prophets didn't intervene).

 

[trevanian]

Unless he was singing 'born to hand-jive' I don't think Picard's use of jive was out of place, or I'd remember it myself.

I DO remember Geordi doing some kind of BOO-YA (was it him saying bookoo sp?) in something awful like LAST OUTPOST that screamed 1980 in a seriously anachronisistic way though.

 

[bbjeg]

No series was safe from the time period it was in.

 

[Cyke101]

Unless Picard meant to say the word "jibe" instead of "jive," which in this case, is not a slang term. But it's also common for folks to mix up the two words as well. Jibe means to agree, jive is a dance that originated in the 1930s that later went on to become slang itself to mean colorful speaking (though, considering TNG's penchant for that decade through jazz and Dixon Hill, maybe it's not so farout for them to use the terminology).

Are we talking about the Neutral Zone here? If so, it's Data that says jive, but he lists it among other synonyms for "a bunch of hooey."

 

[bbjeg]

Honestly, there are cheesy lines all across Star Trek, from Khan quoting Moby Dick before he died, to (IIRC) Picard using the word jive during season one...

It wasn't jive, it was "flim-flam man" in Hide and Q.

 

[MacLeod]

too bad it was all resolved in a deus ex machina way.

Oh, that was the best part.

Technology and weapons didn't win the day,

Sisko asking the Prophets for their help did.

But that doesn't make it a dues ex machina ending.

The wormhole aliens were established in the very first episode.

Their ability to affect the wormhole was demonstrated in the first episode

If the wormhole aliens had suddenly made their apperaence for the first time in this episode then it would be a dues ex machina, but as they have been an element of the show from the first episode I think it fails the criteria for a dues ex machina, does that make it a good ending, a bad ending etc.. That's upto each of us to decide.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

too bad it was all resolved in a deus ex machina way.

Oh, that was the best part.

Technology and weapons didn't win the day,

Sisko asking the Prophets for their help did.

But that doesn't make it a dues ex machina ending.

The wormhole aliens were established in the very first episode.

Their ability to affect the wormhole was demonstrated in the first episode

If the wormhole aliens had suddenly made their apperaence for the first time in this episode then it would be a dues ex machina, but as they have been an element of the show from the first episode I think it fails the criteria for a dues ex machina, does that make it a good ending, a bad ending etc.. That's upto each of us to decide.

Sisko employed his long-standing relationship with the people who built, maintain, and live in a transit point to get them to shut the transit point down. Not compellingly miraculous.

On the other hand, the moment is rife with sprituality--almost a heroic journey to the afterlife a la Orpheus--that makes it seem miraculous.

ETA: I have to agree with some that SOA is among the messier space battles. Although thrilling at times, it's unfocused, held together with a few cliches. Call to arms, which involves the station and multiple ships, is more cohesive. Moreover, the action flows more smoothly into the narrative.

 

[Vger23]

I loved DS9, but cramming 875 ships into a 4x3 frame and calling that a "fleet battle" never really got me excited. I also thought the First Contact battle was completely without emotion, which is really a shame.


RUNNERS UP:
The battle between the Romulan ship and the Enterprise in "Balance of Terror" was classic. I also liked the Klingons vs the Enterprise in "Elaan of Troyus" because Kirk had to be resourceful to have any chance of winning. The battle at the end of Nemesis had great visual appeal, but virtually no strategic element. It was just a street fight. Still, fun!

BEST:
The battle in the Mutara Nebula from Wrath of Khan. There will never be another.

 

[albion432]

Enterprise vs Reliant

 

[publiusr]

1.) Doomsday Machine
2.) Balance of Terror
3.) Enterprise/Reliant
4.) Way of the Warrior/Through a Mirror Darkly/Xindi finale three way tie
5.) Enterprise E vs Scimitar
6.) Fleet Battle in FC.
7.) Opener from ST09.
8.) The Die is Cast
9.) Ent-D vs Borg in BOBW Vengeance warp attack.
10.) Vengeance warp attack.Khitomer battle TUC
11.) Khitomer battle TUC
12.) Voyager Equinox

This got me thinking...There may actually be more footage of space battles in all of Trek than in Star Wars at this point...