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What was more destructive: V'Ger or the whale probe?

Basically, all of that is speculation, though.

We don't know what the emissions of the thing contained, besides the whalesong. We don't know if the destructive effect was ancillary, incidental or deliberate. We don't know if the thing communicated with whales or not, and even whether it cared about the absence of the whales, as opposed to apparently caring about their presence.

Might be it wasn't whalesong to begin with: could be the aliens' own thing that the whales, after repeated exposure (say, when the cylinder thing last visited Earth in late May 1876), had learned to mimic without comprehending, even passing the skill to their calves (although this would not necessarily be a requirement in the 1876 visitation case - George and Gracie both might have been there to witness it).

Ultimately, we know less about the thing than the heroes do (say, where it came from and where it went), and that's already next to nothing. We may speculate that it had some designs on Earth since we saw it boil Earth's oceans, but perhaps Earth was just #321 in a row that we never got to see. We may speculate it stopped the boiling when it heard its own engine noises reflected from the seas; saw it was quaint biological lifeforms generating those; was amused; and decided to postpone the boiling task till its superiors really pressed the case.

Or then the alien visitor indeed was a whaleherd of some sort, monitoring the progress of a twenty-million-year plan of populating the planet with cetaceans, and being really embarrassed about having fallen asleep on the wheel and therefore just mumbling a few phrases and then departing when finding out that only two of the herd survived. It might be back, or might be demoted or executed for its failure and the project either abandoned, or then started anew a bit later on. It's just that we don't know, and the heroes probably don't, either. Although they'd be motivated to find out, and I don't see why they couldn't. It's not as if the alien was superfast or superstealthy, say. Just chase it!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Inherent power, hard to say. Projected power, V-ger. It was going to pretty much kill everything on the planet surface. The whale probe was just trying to render Earth habitable for the sort of lifeform it knew how to communicate with. But I think either of the two could have sterilized this rock without effort.
 
Inherent power, hard to say. Projected power, V-ger. It was going to pretty much kill everything on the planet surface. The whale probe was just trying to render Earth habitable for the sort of lifeform it knew how to communicate with. But I think either of the two could have sterilized this rock without effort.

Well if we're talking about what was shown on screen or even alluded to on screen, then I'd say v'ger, easily. Yes, the whale probe's actions were disruptive and fairly destructive but v'ger digitised entire planets didn't it?
 
We saw "planets" the size of log cabins (and an apartment building -sized Ilia!) during Spock's spacewalk, so whether those were actual digitized ones, or mere projections of sensor readings V'Ger took, there's no practical problem and no real demonstration of impressive powers there.

V'Ger had the Earth surrounded. The Whale Probe could only hit her from one side at a time. So advantage automatically V'Ger...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Lord only knows what the communication pertained to. One thing's for sure though. They sure as Hell need Gillian around, to make sure they keep having some of them available, to keep saying whatever it is they're saying, that would certainly be in everyone's best interest to translate & maybe duplicate eventually.
seeing that a Vulcan mind meld allows fairly complex communication, Spock did say the whales agreed to go along with the plan, I don't see a reason why the universal translator couldn't be programmed for humpback. Initiate a meld, have the whale verbalize something, then the vulcan says what that word was, etc.
 
seeing that a Vulcan mind meld allows fairly complex communication, Spock did say the whales agreed to go along with the plan, I don't see a reason why the universal translator couldn't be programmed for humpback. Initiate a meld, have the whale verbalize something, then the vulcan says what that word was, etc.

The whaleese would be missing a lot of words anyway... For example, I doubt that they have words for toaster-oven, football, couch potato, champagne... to name a few.:D
 
Well, all they have to do is pre-record what the whale told the probe: "Go away, you're destroying my planet, moron!!!"

:rommie:
 
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