What was Gowron's problem?

[Timo]

Did Worf have friends? Klingon ones, that is? He had major trouble blending in; even talking with his brother seemed painful and perplexing.

Hard to tell what the death howl really is for. But if it's a real "Klingon thing", it's probably so red-haze that Worf would be hard pressed to remember he even has an audience, let alone what sort of propaganda should be fed to that audience.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The death howl isn't for the audience of the living. Everybody knows the person is dead, why would they need an audience?

The very fact that Worf had just killed Gowron is all the audience he needed. Everyone saw him do that. Doing the death howl if it wasn't needed wouldn't get Worf anything. It's just a cultural/religious thing, done to warn Sto-vo-kor that a new warrior is on the way.

And if we're talking audiences: you wouldn't want people to see you do an honorable gesture for a warrior who didn't deserve it.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Did Worf have friends? Klingon ones, that is? He had major trouble blending in; even talking with his brother seemed painful and perplexing.

Hard to tell what the death howl really is for. But if it's a real "Klingon thing", it's probably so red-haze that Worf would be hard pressed to remember he even has an audience, let alone what sort of propaganda should be fed to that audience.

Timo Saloniemi

Martok?

 

[Worf'sParmach]

Did Worf have friends? Klingon ones, that is? He had major trouble blending in; even talking with his brother seemed painful and perplexing.

There's often throwaway lines about Worf's "connections in the Empire" whenever the script calls for it but honestly I don't see how he has any real friends in the Empire outside of Martok.

 

[Melakon]

If there's ever a story about him again, I'm sure there would be someone from his past we never heard of before who was afraid to speak out against Gowron while in the High Council.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Martok?

Yeah, Martok is probably the closest friend - perhaps the ONLY friend - that Worf ever had (or will have) in the Empire.

Re: Gowron - Worf tolerated him, and fought on his side, but never actually liked the guy like he did his adoptive brother Martok. I think deep down, Worf was always pissed at Gowron for not restoring the House of Mogh sooner...

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

The death howl isn't for the audience of the living. Everybody knows the person is dead, why would they need an audience?

The very fact that Worf had just killed Gowron is all the audience he needed. Everyone saw him do that. Doing the death howl if it wasn't needed wouldn't get Worf anything. It's just a cultural/religious thing, done to warn Sto-vo-kor that a new warrior is on the way.

And if we're talking audiences: you wouldn't want people to see you do an honorable gesture for a warrior who didn't deserve it.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on this point. I don't mean observe as in other people watching. I mean observe as in carrying out the gesture itself. In other words, I'm saying that Worf performed the gesture for the sake of his own honor, not because there were people watching.

 

[Merlanthe]

Until i read this thread i did not know that the howling after you eviserate your enemy was to let sto'vo'kor know a warrior was coming. I thought it was some kind of victory howl that was the result of Klingons getting all worked up whilst fighting making their more primitive/violent instincts come to the fore. Now i feel bad for not having known the real reason til now

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Did Worf have friends? Klingon ones, that is? He had major trouble blending in; even talking with his brother seemed painful and perplexing.

There's often throwaway lines about Worf's "connections in the Empire" whenever the script calls for it but honestly I don't see how he has any real friends in the Empire outside of Martok.

Friends and connections are not the same thing.
the House of Mogh was one of the bigger houses with big influence in the empire.
Even after the discommendation the family name likely carried weight that many Klingons could not easily dismiss.
They just could not acknowledge Worf publicely, but when the son of Mogh calls, you listen...
And when he became a war hero during the civil war and had his honor restored, he most likely became a minor celebrity, after all pretty much every Klingon we ever met knew him or of him at the very least.

 

[MikeS]

Until i read this thread i did not know that the howling after you eviserate your enemy was to let sto'vo'kor know a warrior was coming. I thought it was some kind of victory howl that was the result of Klingons getting all worked up whilst fighting making their more primitive/violent instincts come to the fore. Now i feel bad for not having known the real reason til now

Don't feel bad. Unless you have seen season one of TNG (Heart Of Glory), you will not have had this explained to you. If you like Klingons I highly recommend the episode. In fact, I highly recommend the season Blu-ray.

 

[Merlanthe]

Don't feel bad. Unless you have seen season one of TNG (Heart Of Glory), you will not have had this explained to you. If you like Klingons I highly recommend the episode. In fact, I highly recommend the season Blu-ray.

I did watch most of TNG when it was first broadcast but i was fairly young when it started so i only really recall the episodes from the later seasons and the ones that i have caught in subsequent reshowings.

Plus I always seem to catch the same episodes whenever the show gets repeated (does that happen to anyone else?) Alas heart of glory is not one of the epsiodes i repeatedly catch on tv it seems to be one of the ones i always somehow miss