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What the Hell was going on after First Contact?!

T J

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So I recently got my hands on TNG season one on DVD and I’m watching Encounter at Farpoint. It’s been so long since I’ve seen the uncut version I forgot some little things. On to my point… During the courtroom scene Data quotes a law from 2036 saying you can’t be tried for your race or forbearers to which Q says something to effect of, too bad this is a court of the year 2079 there is no such thing… Huh?!

So 16 years after first contact with Vulcans in 2063 Earth was still a major shit hole. It’s surprising the Vulcans didn’t just get back into their ship and move along. How long did it take before things “got better”? Is it one of the reasons Humans were sooo defensive in Enterprise.

I know the logical reason is in 1987 none of the history had even been written yet for Trek.

But for fun theorizing what do you all think?
:)
 
Taken from my self-made chonology - here's what happened between First Contact and 2079. I have listed only the relevant entries:

2064
Zefram Cochrane gives a commencement speech to the graduating class at Princeton. During his address on First Contact, his speech wanders into bizarre details of cybernetic creatures who tried to prevent his first warp flight and enslave Earth but they were defeated by a group of humans from the future. Known for his many tall tales and frequent intoxication, no one takes Cochrane seriously. A few years later he recants this statement.
("Regeneration" [ENT]. 89 years before the episode.)


2065
New Berlin, humanity’s first permanent lunar colony, is established on the moon. By the 24th century, New Berlin would become only one of many settlements on Luna which would be home to over 50 million people residing in atmospheric domes.
(“Terra Nova” [ENT], “Valiant” [DS9] and Star Trek: First Contact”. Date is approximate. Captain Archer noted that New Berlin was settled before the launch of the S.S. Conestoga in 2069, but sometime after Cochrane’s warp flight. It would be reasonable to assume the colony was established before manned deep-space exploration such as the Valiant and the Terra Nova missions.)

The S.S. Valiant embarks on a deep space exploration mission. The expedition is lost when its impulse engines cannot withstand a magnetic storm and the vessel is eventually swept out of the galaxy. The ship is nearly destroyed while trying to return across the energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy. Six crew members are killed, but a seventh experiences a mutation that dramatically enhances latent ESP powers, making that person a threat to the ship and its crew. The Valiant's captain later orders the ship destroyed to prevent the mutated crew member from escaping.
("Where No Man Has Gone Before" [TOS]. The Valiant expedition embarked 200 years prior to the episode.)


2067
British astronomer John Burke of the Royal Academy maps the area of space which includes Sherman's Planet. This region is later the subject of territorial dispute between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
("The Trouble with Tribbles" [TOS]. Spock and Chekov's discussion established the date as 200 years prior to the episode.)

Earth launches "Friendship 1", a long-range probe designed to pave the way for manned spaceflight by reaching out to make contact with other species. It was densely programmed with translation matrices, scientific and cultural databases, computer chip designs, and transceiver instructions.
("Friendship One" [VOY]. Chakotay establishes the probe was launched before Starfleet existed. However, the markings on its nacelle show the familiar arrow-head design used throughout the various Trek incarnations which would indicate that the United Earth Space Probe Agency (UESPA) was using this design years before Starfleet was established. UESPA was first mentioned in "Charlie X" [TOS] in the Original Series. Later during the "Enterprise" series, we indeed see the arrow-head design used by the UESPA during the conference for the Coalition of Planets in "Demons" [ENT].)


2068
By this year at the latest, the Y-500 Class freighters are retired from service in space.
("Strange New World" [ENT]. Extrapolated from Mayweather's ghost story and Trip's comments.)

The Interstat communications radio code ceases to be used. Around this same time a transport carrying colonist from Earth becomes lost. They come to settle on the lone planet in the Cepheus system which they name after their mission name, Terra Ten; themselves being the tenth in the series of colony flights. However, the colonists are exposed to the native spiroid epsilon waves which shrink their molecular structure until they become 1/16 of an inch tall. The "terratins" develop their own unique culture, which they adapt to their small size which over generations becomes a genetic characteristic.
(Two centuries before "The Terratin Incident" [TAS].)

The Draco lizard, a small reptile native to planet Earth, becomes extinct.
("New Ground" [TNG]. According to Enterprise-D teacher Mrs. Kyle, this occurred approximately 300 years prior to the episode.)


2069
After establishing several colonies within the solar system, Humans dare to venture into the cosmos and plant a settlement upon another planet. After finding a habitable Earth-like world less than 20 light years away they launch the S.S. Conestoga under Captain Mitchell to undergo the nine year voyage in what was later dubbed as the "Great Experiment".
("Terra Nova" [ENT]. Date is deduced by Archer's comments.)


The fourth in a series on minor wars between Earth and the felinoid Kzinti comes to an end. In each case Kzin was always the aggressor but Earth managed to triumph over them each time because of their superior technology. After their final loss, Kzinti sign the treaty of Sirius whereupon their territories are demilitarized and they are forbidden to possess phase energy weapons.
(According to Sulu, 200 years before "The Slaver Weapon" [TAS]. Since this episode was based on novels of Larry Niven, we might consider the Earth-Kzin wars to be apocryphal to the Star Trek universe. According to Niven's "Known Space", the first war was fought with sublight vessels and the Kzinti could only be defeated because of Earth acquiring faster-than-light travel. It is interesting to note that had "Star Trek: Enterprise" gone into a fifth season, producer Manny Coto was planning on featuring the Kzinti and based upon a script edited by D.C. Fontana and Andre Bromanis. A conjectural design for a Kzinti spaceship (pictured) was even commissioned by writer Jimmy Diggs. This surely would have lent a better understanding to the awkward placement of the Earth-Kzin conflict which seems to predate the Earth-Romulan war.)


2073
Zefram Cochrane delivers the noteworthy quote, "Don't try to be a great man, just be a man. And let history make its own judgments."
("Star Trek VII: First Contact". Ten years after his warp flight.)


2076
En route to her new home, Vera Fuller, a colonist aboard the S.S. Conestoga gives birth to a daughter whom she names Bernadette.
(“Terra Nova” [ENT]. Records recovered by Enterprise crewmembers in 2151 determined that Bernadette was born about 75 years prior. She would become one of the children who survived the radiation fallout when Terra Nova is struck by an asteroid. Living underground, she would forget her human heritage and go by the name Nadet.)


2078
July 23
After nine years, the S.S. Conestoga finally arrives at their target planet which the colonists named Terra Nova – “New Earth”. After Captain Mitchell conducts a groundbreaking ceremony, the colonists disassemble the Conestoga and build a home for themselves out of its hull.
("Terra Nova" [ENT]. Trip noted that his grandfather, Charles Tucker the first, saw the first transmissions from Terra Nova when he was a child.)


2079
Although great strides have been made in space travel, Earth continues the difficult recovery from the Third World War. In this post-atomic horror, the legal system is a mockery, based on the principle of "guilty until proven innocent". True justice falls into disfavor as Shakespeare's suggestion to "kill all the lawyers" has been taken quite seriously.
("Encounter at Farpoint" [TNG]. Q says that this is the year that his courtroom re-creation was based on.)


As we see, not much has been revealed about Earth's socio- or political condition after WWIII up unto the so-called "post-atomic horror" depicted in "Encounter at Farpoint". What is apparent is that humanity's desire to explore space seems to move at full throttle almost from the start; even begining to colonize the moon at at quick pace. If I had to hypothesize, Q's court may have been indicative of conditions in the East, considering the Mandarian look of the prosecutor, the use of the gong, etc. Perhaps the West and the more industrial nations had an easier recovery after the War with enough commonality among the surviving nations to pool their resources together to revive a space program. In "Broken Bow", Trip tells T'Pol that humanity cured poverty and hunger within two generations. Considering that the court scene was only 16 years after WWIII, there were certainly areas on Earth that moved consideribly slower than others when it came to establishing "utopia".
 
The case could be made that Q picked out the worst parts of humanity at that time, and the court was taken from some third world loser country.
 
Assuming Asia was worst hit from the Nuclear war (the big guys at that trial looked Asian) I suppose random parts of Asia would take the longest to recover and be an utter hellhole in the time being.
 
the ECONs were worst hit in the Third World War and didn't exactly hold trials following US/UN humanitarian laws...
 
Well Duh OP...

not all of the earth is the same.. i mean Bath is a lovely place... but Romford is a scumhole... they both exist within the same time period
 
Well duh Borg451 to you too!

My point was how the Vulcans viewed this. They wanted to help but in reality Earth wasn't any different from before the first warp flight. I think it's surprising they didn't walk out of the ship look around and say "screw this" and get right back in their ship and leave.

I now give you permission to now keep your "duh's", to yourself. :rolleyes:
 
They probably learned as uch as they could, viewed it as the "Loigcal reaction from an emotional race" and decided to help them rebuild to make sure they didn't spread their current nonsense to space.
 
T J said:
Well duh Borg451 to you too!

My point was how the Vulcans viewed this. They wanted to help but in reality Earth wasn't any different from before the first warp flight. I think it's surprising they didn't walk out of the ship look around and say "screw this" and get right back in their ship and leave.

I now give you permission to now keep your "duh's", to yourself. :rolleyes:

whats was ur problem? u missed something out.. and i pointed it out.. if u dont like discussing things why make thread..

and im sick of ur constant rascist remarks.. give you permission... of all the insensitive things to say on this of all months..
 
T J said:
My point was how the Vulcans viewed this. They wanted to help but in reality Earth wasn't any different from before the first warp flight. I think it's surprising they didn't walk out of the ship look around and say "screw this" and get right back in their ship and leave.

Do you really think things would change, world-wide, overnight? According to Riker in the movie, it takes about 50 years (which is still ridiculously fast).

The Vulcans aren't exactly the epitomy of civilization either. Considering that they practiced arranged marriages and killed each other over sex, they wouldn't have much room to get too judgmental.

As most of us seem to be pointing out, this could very well have been one shit-hole country, not indicative of all of humanity.
 
Babaganoosh said:
Borg451 said:
and im sick of ur constant racist remarks.. give you permission... of all the insensitive things to say on this of all months..

What the hell are you talking about? :confused: :rolleyes:

Ummm, yeah, how was I racist? And constant... WTF dude, you just took a mole hill and made freakin mt. Everest out of it...

Duh... ;)
 
Borg451, I don't mean to be rude, but is English your native language?
 
Yeah, Borg.

For starters, YOU were a little out of line with your "duh". If anyone started a bit of trouble it was you.

Then, on top of that, you accuse someone of being RACIST?

Absolutely NOTHING in that reply could have been counted as racist.

I wonder if a PDFTT request is needed here?
 
Borg451 said:
T J said:
Well duh Borg451 to you too!

My point was how the Vulcans viewed this. They wanted to help but in reality Earth wasn't any different from before the first warp flight. I think it's surprising they didn't walk out of the ship look around and say "screw this" and get right back in their ship and leave.

I now give you permission to now keep your "duh's", to yourself. :rolleyes:

whats was ur problem? u missed something out.. and i pointed it out.. if u dont like discussing things why make thread..

and im sick of ur constant rascist remarks.. give you permission... of all the insensitive things to say on this of all months..
As a number of people have pointed out, including myself in your closed thread, you need to do a far better job of explaining yourself because at the minute your actions appear to be nothing other than repeated, deliberate provocation. And it's not even funny.

Warning for trolling.

I recommend you get it together and work harder to make your posts coherent and relevant very soon.

Comments to PM. I'd like it if this thread were to return to the topic.
 
It would take years for some places on Earth to even learn of the Vulcan's arrival, let alone benefit from it. I'd imagine the Western countries would get a leg up first, then they'd help the rest of the world pick up the pieces, based on what little we know of the Eugenics Wars and WW3.

Sci said:
Borg451, I don't mean to be rude, but is English your native language?

That's been discussed in two other threads. Guy's either drunk, mentally handicapped or literally 5 years old.

is that hard to right coheerent sentince??? lol i mean disrespect to all you know what it tawk aboot? llol

:eek:
 
From another thread...



FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse is an online novel that hails from the post-atomic year of 2079 AD...

The supercarrier APC Iron Horse is outfitted to carry the building blocks of recovery through the Frontier of a shattered American Wasteland.

She is wheel-dependant, hydrogen/solar powered, and six primary cars in length. The Iron Horse's hydrogen power supply can be refueled at any water source, so she may negotiate the Frontier almost indefinitely. She is two lanes wide and crowds the shambling roadways of tommorrow. Crew approx. 25 persons.

The APC carries ancillary environmental mechs (CATS) for exploring hazardous / radioactive areas. Agile and strong, with quadtrack-to-quadruped differential allowing a four legged climb and gallop.

Our diplomat is Mr. Steel of Vulcan, he is twenty Standard years old, and has lived fifteen of those years here on Earth. His hair is long and will not be cut until First Rites are passed. His mission is to establish Vulcan first contact to the variety of human civilizations the Iron Horse encounters.

Some areas are advanced, others regressed, others spiritual or tribal and so on. Even others are repressed by technology, (LANDRU) or large geopolitical factions such as the infamous Colonel Green, and his mighty army of the Fifteen Optimal States...

Product placement is subtle. (Caterpillar, Levis, Stetson, Timex, etc.)

...and so on. Anyone who might be digging this premise are invited to tune in to the adventures of FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse, now showing on the FanFiction board...


Next chapter coming soon!
 
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