What the Hell was going on after First Contact?!

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You can reference non-canonical works all you want if you're a DS9 or ENT writer, but that's not the same thing as actual canonizing it.

But de facto it is. And de facto is the only thing that matters, because canonicity as a concept doesn't even exist except through its single practical implication: dictating what can be referred to on screen and what cannot.

Exactly.

That was the whole point of that Star Trek Office shit. Gene and Richard "Satan" Arnold ordered that the novels and TAS not be referred to *at all*, and that's what made those things non-canon. Now that they *can*, and often *are*, referred to, then in every way that matters, canon is irrelevant.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

You can reference non-canonical works all you want if you're a DS9 or ENT writer, but that's not the same thing as actual canonizing it.

But de facto it is. And de facto is the only thing that matters, because canonicity as a concept doesn't even exist except through its single practical implication: dictating what can be referred to on screen and what cannot.

Timo Saloniemi

Referencing something makes the reference canon, not an entire episode. For example, Kor mentioned the Klothos in Once More Unto the Breach. That doesn't make Time Trap canon, it just makes the fact that the Klothos exists canon (in fact, it was referred to as a D5 in the DS9 episode. D5s were shown in Enterprise and they look different from the ship in Time Trap. Of course, Kor could have simply received a D7 named Klothos after his old D5 was retired (sort of like the Enterprise A) so there's no contradiction, but now I'm just getting off on a tangent ).

 

[Timo]

But none of the other Trek is any more canon than TAS. TOS and TNG, too, are only quoted piecemeal.

And saying that TAS was declared noncanon only holds true in the novel universe. Only the novelists were forbidden from quoting this material; the people writing televised or filmed Trek received no such instructions.

So TAS need not be "restored" to onscreen canon, because it always was that, as much (or as little) as TNG was. And it has certainly been restored to novelverse canon, because it's quite difficult to find a TAS episode that wouldn't have been quoted in the novels by now...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[captcalhoun]

But none of the other Trek is any more canon than TAS. TOS and TNG, too, are only quoted piecemeal.

And saying that TAS was declared noncanon only holds true in the novel universe. Only the novelists were forbidden from quoting this material; the people writing televised or filmed Trek received no such instructions.

So TAS need not be "restored" to onscreen canon, because it always was that, as much (or as little) as TNG was. And it has certainly been restored to novelverse canon, because it's quite difficult to find a TAS episode that wouldn't have been quoted in the novels by now...

Timo Saloniemi

actually, ythe notorious memo of canon stated that only live-action material seen on TV and at the movies counted. thus, no TAS, no FMV from PC games and no live-action material from theme-park rides etc.