They did, it's just that they didn't fall to pieces or let things get that bad for themselves in the process the way so many other stereotypical "lost people" stories would have it.
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They did, it's just that they didn't fall to pieces or let things get that bad for themselves in the process the way so many other stereotypical "lost people" stories would have it.
And clearly Troi had to deal with a lot of prejudice against blueshirts being qualified for command.
I've lost count of the number of times on this board that people seem to be saying that Troi doesn't deserve her rank because she doesn't make the ship go. A different argument, but still.
I think there's something to be said for the logic behind doctorate-level specialists like Doctors automatically being given a certain rank in recognition of their special training (based on the real-world precedent), and then arising from that a certain feeling that they don't deserve a promotion past that because they didn't 'earn' what they had in the first place. Presumably, Crusher only 'really' needed to be a Lt. Cmmdr. to be CMO, but had actually earned a promotion to Commander. The circumstances of Troi's promotion were rather muddy - but then she wasn't that high in the command chain to start with, so perhaps it's a balancing act - again, blueshirts being a special case and all.
I think this is the best summing up of the situation I've read on these boards. Thanks for that.
I really liked Part 1. For the most part, Part 2 was all right--I liked the idea of Hugh's initial hostility towards the crew.
I have to concur, though, on the "ethical" subroutine thing. I dunno. It just seems rather disturbing... that the solution was just to turn Data's conscience back on....
I REALLY would have preferred Data struggling with himself, eventually triumphing over his desire by himself, and turning his own conscience back on--BY HIMSELF!!!
Instead, he's made out to be just a glorified robot--who's sense of right and wrong could be turned on and off by OTHERS. This means that, in the long run, he has no free will after all.
His doing the right thing and overcoming his brother ON HIS OWN ACCORD, would have REALLY helped him on his journey to become more human....
I have to concur, though, on the "ethical" subroutine thing. I dunno. It just seems rather disturbing... that the solution was just to turn Data's conscience back on....
I REALLY would have preferred Data struggling with himself, eventually triumphing over his desire by himself, and turning his own conscience back on--BY HIMSELF!!!
Instead, he's made out to be just a glorified robot--who's sense of right and wrong could be turned on and off by OTHERS. This means that, in the long run, he has no free will after all.
His doing the right thing and overcoming his brother ON HIS OWN ACCORD, would have REALLY helped him on his journey to become more human....
Data is a glorified robot, and from a science fictiony point of view turning his conscience back on is a decent solution to the problem. His mind is nothing more than the result of circuits firing in the brain--but isn't that true of us all? Data couldn't fix his broken brain by force of will--but isn't that true of us, too? A sociopath can't will himself a conscience. Humans can't do that. Data's conscience is limited by the design of his brain, and that makes him more human, not less.
Now if the writers were really clever, Picard would've bypassed the idea of arguing on ethical grounds and turned Data by appealing to some other faculty--say, self-preservation, or the possibility of deriving even greater pleasure by freeing Picard and dissecting Lore instead.
Now if the writers were really clever, Picard would've bypassed the idea of arguing on ethical grounds and turned Data by appealing to some other faculty--say, self-preservation, or the possibility of deriving even greater pleasure by freeing Picard and dissecting Lore instead.
RobertScorpio
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and FC nailed the coffin shut...introducing the QUEEN was what ulimately ruined the BORG..once they were given a voice to reason with they just became another bumpy headed TREK race...such a waste
Rob
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