What should be done in Africa

[All Seeing Eye]

This is clearly not a well thought out plan.

The plan is well thought out but the argument against them clearly isn't. The argument against them is so ill thought out that we're stuck in some kind of endless loop where I keep repeating what i've already said. The argument against the towns has completely run out of material.

 

[Miss Chicken]

New land is required in Rwanda. The reason Rwanda is facing so many problems is that it doesn't have enough land to feed its population. Farms over the last 30 years have been subdivided so much that the average farm size is no longer able to feed the people who live on it.

I want to know which countries, or regions, have suitable land that can be opened up for farming. I have mentioned just some of the l countries that have no land that can be used (Rwanda, Burundi, Namibia, the Gambia), you have failed to mention one country that has suitable land.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

New land is required in Rwanda. The reason Rwanda is facing so many problems is that it doesn't have enough land to feed its population. Farms over the last 30 years have been subdivided so much that the average farm size is no longer able to feed the people who live on it.

This isn't all about fricking farm land, my idea mainly is to build towns in the worst off areas where land is plentiful and there aren't any farms and people are starving, this is the 50th time i'm telling you this. Rwanda will be one of the last places to be receiving these towns, there are worse off areas where there isn't such an abundance of farmland. The building of farms is just one of several components of the town idea, if the land available is limited in one of the African countries such as Rwanda and farms already exist then no farms can obviously be built, it's not rocket science is it. What is your obsession with the building farms component? once again you're focusing on just one point and not looking at the bigger picture.
You can't just spring land up from nowhere to grow crops, if Rwanda doesn't have any more land for farms then they're going to have to import food. Building these towns can help bring about opportunity to develop new forms of industry which could help the local economies of Rwanda, help develop more ways of generating cash and therefore allow for the importing of food.

I want to know which countries, or regions, have suitable land that can be opened up for farming. I have mentioned just some of the l countries that have no land that can be used (Rwanda, Burundi, Namibia, the Gambia), you have failed to mention one country that has suitable land.

You want me to reel off a flipping list? just randomly pick out 10 large African countries and there's part of your list.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Go on google Earth and type in these co-ordinates 0 02' 37.65" n, 18 20' 48.41" e. It took me 3 seconds to find this place by doing nothing more than zooming in on Africa.

How about: 0 02' 28.12" n, 18 22' 46.99" e

How about: 15 25' 37.85" s, 25 27' 59.98" e

How about: 0 02' 24.45" s, 18 25' 37.94" e

How about: 0 54' 21.14" s, 19 56' 32.17" e

How about: 25 05' 59.70" s, 17 43' 45.98" e

 

[TGTheodore]

Reading some of these posts, I consider this plan to be along the lines of the one devised by Kirk in "I, Mudd."

But his worked.

--Ted

 

[Miss Chicken]

What industiies would you create in Rwanda, given that they are a landlock country with few natual resources?

just randomly pick out 10 large African countries and there's part of your list.

The twen largest countries in Africa are

Sudan
Algeria
Democratic Rep of Congo
Libya
Chad
Niger
Angola
Mali
South Africa
Ethiopa.

Now we will look at one of these countries

Niger

80% of this country is part of the Sahara desert. A large percentage of the rest suffers from periodic drought and desertification. Only 15% of the land is arable and that 15% is already being used. There iare already conflicts over land.

I think we can exclude this country fro the list.

Maybe you could pick one country and show that unused land is available.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

80% of this country is part of the Sahara desert. A large percentage of the rest suffers from periodic drought and desertification.

Growing in the desert.

and if you dig deep enough you find a little thing called the water table.

What industiies would you create in Rwanda, given that they are a landlock country with few natual resources?

It's called attracting external investment.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

I hereby appoint you to lead this project Taccy. Report back to us upon completion.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I hereby appoint you to lead this project Taccy. Report back to us upon completion.

You know what, if I was a millionaire i'd build one of these towns just to prove it can be done and would be beneficial. I'd then start my own charity off where all the money goes towards building more.

 

[Miss Chicken]

So you have added drilling for water under the Sahara to your plan. This whole scheme of yours is becoming even more expensive. Don't you think that this isn't already being done in the Sahara (admiittedly only on a small scale).

You would also have to plant masive amount of trees for the land to start to become farmable. This is assuming that the Muslim leaders in the Sahara countries would allow you in to build your towns.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

So you have added drilling for water under the Sahara to your plan.

What the hell do you think wells are? you dig down to the water table. Holy poop!!!!!

You would also have to plant masive amount of trees for the land to start to become farmable. This is assuming that the Muslim leaders in the Sahara countries would allow you in to build your towns.

Trees and crops reclaim desert in Niger


and I already flaming told you pages ago, if Muslim leaders won't allow construction of the towns then none get constructed. I think I made that point clear back on page blooming one.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I hereby appoint you to lead this project Taccy. Report back to us upon completion.

You know what, if I was a millionaire i'd build one of these towns just to prove it can be done and would be beneficial. I'd then start my own charity off where all the money goes towards building more.

There is nothing stopping you from starting up a charity to raise money for your plan. Maybe if you can come up with a viable strategy plan to show people you could get an already established charity to invest in your idea.

 

[Miss Chicken]

So you have added drilling for water under the Sahara to your plan.

What the hell do you think wells are? you dig down to the water table. Holy poop!!!!!

You would also have to plant masive amount of trees for the land to start to become farmable. This is assuming that the Muslim leaders in the Sahara countries would allow you in to build your towns.

Trees and crops reclaim desert in Niger

Which only goes to show that it can be done without your plan to create new solar powered towns from scratch. Instead of creating new towns just use the money to plant trees. Far more productive and, once the lan becomes farmable the people can build their own dwellings and find their own energy sources.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Egypt working to reclaim desert.

Proof it can be done. So other countries in other parts of Africa suffering similar problems could use our help.

Which only goes to show that it can be done without your plan to create new solar powered towns from scratch. Instead of creating new towns just use the money to plant trees. Far more productive and, once the lan becomes farmable the people can build their own dwellings and find their own energy sources.

Planting crops and creating farms is not the beginning and end of it. They'll need a town to begin with so they can then concentrate on getting more and more farm land up and running. Building these towns have massive benefits. Why can't you just see that!
Give them good housing, give them water, give them schools and hospitals and help them get their farms up and running and then after that it's prosperity all the way. They can't build homes, health and educational tools and power from sand.

 

[Miss Chicken]

No, I cannot see that.

The best way to go about reclaiming land is to do it around the fringes of already existing communities. Those communities are intact, with strong social organistion, but need more land for farming. Helping existing communities - by proving them with better facilities, helping them to reclaiming the land around them etc - make far sense than creating new solar powerd towns.

However I wouldn't support expanding farmland into the forests of central Africa so finding new farmland in those regions would be difficult.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The best way to go about reclaiming land is to do it around the fringes of already existing communities. Those communities are intact, with strong social organistion, but need more land for farming. Helping existing communities - by providing them with better facilities, helping them to reclaiming the land around them etc - make far sense than creating new solar powered towns.

They can be better helped by giving them a new better more efficient town and as i've pointed out on previous pages, electricity brings further benefit and a better quality of life and the whole thing is renewable energy. You build a town for them with better housing and on top of that you build a few more for future growth and expansion.
Your idea of providing better facilities is no different then what my proposal is. I've said it before, my idea is to focus the money and effort more directly.

Why only do the odd few things and then leave the job half done? why not just get the job done 100% in the first place by building these pre-determined towns.

 

[Miss Chicken]

You plan is far more expensive than improving existing communities.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You plan is far more expensive than improving existing communities.

Yes, because more is being done but what IS being done is ensuring that that community will never need help again, it's ensuring that the only thing left for them to do is grow and expand.
What's the point in only doing a bit, leaving a job part finished and then have to go back months or years later to help further because things have gone to shit again?

When you build a car you don't leave the wheels off.

Why buy parts and fix an old banger of a car up when it would be cheaper and more efficient to buy a newer car?

 

[Miss Chicken]

Who is to say that your plan would be not end up half finished? Whose to say that your villages wouldn't go to shit?

I think I can give you an exmaple of why you plan is not the best.

I have done a little research and found out that the cost of providing one African home with enough solar power to allow for the use of two lamps and a radio is between $300-$400. One top of that you have to buy the radio and the two lamps bringing the total to between about $350 to $450 dollars.

To provide an African home with a crank radio and two solar powered lamps costs less than $100 with the added benefit that this solar energy is portable. So for the same price you could provide four families each with the radio and two lamps.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

It costs more money to supply individual houses with solar panels and less efficient then it would be to build a single solar power plant that feeds an entire town. Also my idea was never to supply each house a radio, it was to supply the town with one and lightbulbs last I checked didn't cost $50.

look, we're going to just have to agree to disagree on this one, otherwise we'll be here forever.